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Son of a beech
03-29-2016, 10:23 AM
For a while now I have been reading in the news that Flexjet wants to set up operations in Europe in 2016 to compete with Netjets.

The thing is that I can't find any concrete info, only the initial announcement.

Does anybody have some more concrete info on these plans.

Any info is helpful.

SOAB


RI830
04-03-2016, 05:18 AM
There is no concrete info that I know of.
IMHO, they will buy out VistaJet for their network and common fleet types.

If the Aerion is to become a reality, they will need European based airframes and pilots to be cost competitive.

McGuyver
04-03-2016, 02:10 PM
If I had to guess, Flex Jets expansion into Europe maybe on hold in light of the fact that management just announced they want to now reduce pilot staffing. With the hard time some companies are having with getting qualified pilots, I would think Flex would not be expanding to Europe when they are looking for voluntary pilot separations from the company. So unfortunatly growth doesn't look promising.


Vital Signs
04-03-2016, 05:48 PM
And "Europe" and "profitable aviation growth" don't really belong in the same sentence.

Eastisbeast
04-04-2016, 04:10 AM
Is Flexjet hiring again? If so, how many do they plan to hire this year?
Thanks.

Son of a beech
04-04-2016, 04:17 AM
Although being taken over by Flexjet would be an improvement for the Vistajet Europe pilots, I know for a fact that VistaJet is not for sale and that they are expanding their network in the USA in cooperation with Jet Aviation.

The thing with the American pilot union is partially (from what I understood) the reason that FlexJet wants to start in Europe. They have aircraft coming in which they have to place somewhere and while they dont have pilots in the States there are still plenty pilots available in Europe. most of which, especially in central Europe, make less than the US based FlexJet pilots.

As far as the European expansion, this is something that Michael Silvestro said in several interviews in the end of 2015 and the start of 2016, Amongst others here; http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-25/flexjet-seeks-europe-toehold-to-compete-with-buffett-s-netjets

Would be good to see them join forces with a major European company, but NetJets Europe is not an option:p, Gamma, is already in bed with Wheels Up and Jet Aviation with VistaJet, so the only one left is TAG Aviation, or buy some small company and/or start for themselves.

but I guess as usual, time will tell.

RI830
04-04-2016, 10:08 AM
Everything comes at certain price.
VistaJet or anyone else could leave their "alliance" if a right price is named.

As for pilot rank shrinkage. I understand it to be a reduction in pilots per airplane. Not necessarily a shrinkage. Add a few airframes and you ratio hits what they want.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

IlliniPilot99
04-04-2016, 04:26 PM
Everything comes at certain price.
VistaJet or anyone else could leave their "alliance" if a right price is named.

As for pilot rank shrinkage. I understand it to be a reduction in pilots per airplane. Not necessarily a shrinkage. Add a few airframes and you ratio hits what they want.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
I heard it something along those lines, considering that by the end of the year we will have a net gain in aircraft.

Also somewhat of a political/power move...but also to get rid of the guys that are 60+ and a few that are above 70.

howardhughes8
04-04-2016, 06:40 PM
What is the format for Flexjet email address? Is it [email protected] or First [email protected]? Thank you

Son of a beech
05-29-2016, 10:55 AM
I guess it's official now, althoug I'm not sure how they will compete with Netjet's 100+ European aircraft with 8 Nextant 400Xti

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2016-05-23/flexjet-start-european-ops-year-end

RI830
05-29-2016, 06:32 PM
I guess it's official now, althoug I'm not sure how they will compete with Netjet's 100+ European aircraft with 8 Nextant 400Xti

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2016-05-23/flexjet-start-european-ops-year-end

Gotta start with something. NJEurope has been going for a while now.
There is still plenty of untapped flying available. Europe is ripe for charter/fractional due to taxes/infrastructure/and many other reasons.
As long as they start small and grow accordingly, they'll do ok.

Son of a beech
08-03-2016, 11:23 PM
Now we know, It they bought flair jet. They only have to change the middle letters in the name.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2016-08-03/flexjet-buys-uk-based-flairjet-euro-expansion-bid

RI830
08-04-2016, 07:43 AM
This will be interesting to watch develop.
Flex Globals have been doing a ton of Euopean lift lately.

Europe is a tough market to crack. I really thought they would buy out VistaJet, but I guess the price wasn't right.

Dutch1
08-09-2016, 07:59 PM
Kenn Ricci is bat**** crazy. There is no other way to describe him. Running his business into the ground in the US, he buys an operator soon to leave the EU...smh...

David Puddy
08-10-2016, 01:29 PM
Kenn Ricci is bat**** crazy. There is no other way to describe him. Running his business into the ground in the US, he buys an operator soon to leave the EU...smh...

Don't worry - those Arieon mini-Concordes will be a smash hit in a few years and will provide a great return on investment!!!!! ;)

RI830
08-10-2016, 05:56 PM
The Aerions are nothing but a sales ploy for the large cabin aircraft.

Lots of bitterness against the company I sense!