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2loud
04-09-2016, 11:35 AM
This is all pure speculation and entertainment so let's hear it from ya'll men, women, and children alike. SLI-what about meeeee?!?!
From the junior folks here at Alaskan, here are some ideas and comments that I've been hearing on the line, so you Virgin folks, please chime in with your thoughts and ideas:

1) Seniority integration should start from 2007 hires.
2) The "I got mine crowd" wants DOH.
3) Virgin would have died anyways so let's go with a staple.
4) We acquired them so it's really not a merger.
5) 4 Year college isn't required at Virgin so they should be stapled since most of them could not have gotten hired at Alaskan.
6) No Alaskan FO ever left for Virgin. Btw, it's not true! After Kasher, at least two FOs left and upgraded to CA in less than 2 years.
7) I've paid my dues, got a 4 year degree, worked my way up through the regionals, and waited to get hired by Alaskan Airways. I could have gone to Virgin for the quick upgrade but I held out for Alaskan. It's not fair that I've paid my dues and waited for Alaskan only to get bumped by Virgin pilots.
8) Any Virgin pilots hired after 2xxx should be integrated x to x ratio. Or more like, 2xxx=one's year hired. What about meeeeeee?!?!

All of these opinions have some validity, some more than others, but they are just that...opinions and we all know the saying, "everyone has an ***hole and an opinion".
Like I've said in a previous post, none of us asked for this. It is just a business decision and the employees always get to deal with the pain. It's going to get ugly before it gets better. Ya'll can hide behind the keyboard as always but try and keep it somewhat civil. Gloves off....let's go!


Silver02ex
04-09-2016, 11:42 AM
This is all pure speculation and entertainment so let's hear it from ya'll men, women, and children alike. SLI-what about meeeee?!?!
From the junior folks here at Alaskan, here are some ideas and comments that I've been hearing on the line, so you Virgin folks, please chime in with your thoughts and ideas:

1) Seniority integration should start from 2007 hires.
2) The "I got mine crowd" wants DOH.
3) Virgin would have died anyways so let's go with a staple.
4) We acquired them so it's really not a merger.
5) 4 Year college isn't required at Virgin so they should be stapled since most of them could not have gotten hired at Alaskan.
6) No Alaskan FO ever left for Virgin. Btw, it's not true! After Kasher, at least two FOs left and upgraded to CA in less than 2 years.
7) I've paid my dues, got a 4 year degree, worked my way up through the regionals, and waited to get hired by Alaskan Airways. I could have gone to Virgin for the quick upgrade but I held out for Alaskan. It's not fair that I've paid my dues and waited for Alaskan only to get bumped by Virgin pilots.
8) Any Virgin pilots hired after 20xx should be integrated x to x ratio. Or more like, 20xx=my hired year. What about meeeeeee?!?!

All of these opinions have some validity, some more than others, but they are just that...opinions and we all know the saying, "everyone has an ***hole and an opinion".
Like I've said in a previous post, none of us asked for this. It is just a business decision and the employees always get to deal with the pain. It's going to get ugly before it gets better. Ya'll can hide behind the keyboard as always but try and keep it somewhat civil. Gloves off....let's go!

Why do you keep saying AlaskaN? When did Alaska insert an N in their name?

BizPilot
04-09-2016, 12:17 PM
How will they merge the cultures?

VA is different, they reflect the SFO lifestyle. There uniforms are "different", the CA comes out and introduces himself to the pax during the flight.


full of luv
04-09-2016, 12:25 PM
How will they merge the cultures?

VA is different, they reflect the SFO lifestyle. There uniforms are "different", the CA comes out and introduces himself to the pax during the flight.

During the flight? Does an FA sit in the flight deck while he does this? That is an unusual culture to say the least.

What about all the other crazy San Fran culture. Do va pilots practice free love and smoke pot? Do they protest everything and demand $15 an hour for the most basic jobs?

Yetifan
04-09-2016, 12:40 PM
The troll is strong here...

beancounter
04-09-2016, 12:44 PM
I would hope that the VX pilots realize they're getting a big raise and stability and the Alaska pilots realize this will help stabilize Alaska in the long run with it's battle against Delta in SEA.

It could be wishful thinking though, I mean, the East guys were never thankful that we saved their airline. :) Im joking, I'm joking, just couldn't resist. ;)

Panzon
04-09-2016, 12:45 PM
The troll is strong here...
+10

Filler

Xtreme87
04-09-2016, 12:47 PM
I would hope that the VX pilots realize they're getting a big raise and stability and the Alaska pilots realize this will help stabilize Alaska in the long run with it's battle against Delta in SEA.

It could be wishful thinking though, I mean, the East guys were never thankful that we saved their airline. :) Im joking, I'm joking, just couldn't resist. ;)

http://www.businessinsider.com/jetblue-winner-alaska-airlines-virgin-america-merger-2016-4

Analysts seem to think the opposite of stabilizing.

beancounter
04-09-2016, 12:52 PM
The troll is strong here...

Sorry I initially missed your post, thanks for the laugh.

beancounter
04-09-2016, 12:54 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/jetblue-winner-alaska-airlines-virgin-america-merger-2016-4

Analysts seem to think the opposite of stabilizing.

Granted I'm no airline analyst, but it seems to me Alaska had to do something. They had already started expanding. The pressure from Delta over time will take it's toll on SEA and they don't want all there eggs in the SEA basket.

Workin
04-09-2016, 12:55 PM
I think date of hire until 2007. Then a ratio with Alaska for the first half of Virgin. Then staple the bottom half. Then make a big fence, so if your Virgin you keep your seniority in SFO, Jfk and if your Alaska you keep your seniority in Sea, Pdx, Anc. LAX will have to be something special.

mike734
04-09-2016, 01:18 PM
This is all pure speculation and entertainment so let's hear it from ya'll men, women, and children alike. SLI-what about meeeee?!?!
From the junior folks here at Alaskan, here are some ideas and comments that I've been hearing on the line, so you Virgin folks, please chime in with your thoughts and ideas:

1) Seniority integration should start from 2007 hires.
2) The "I got mine crowd" wants DOH.
3) Virgin would have died anyways so let's go with a staple.
4) We acquired them so it's really not a merger.
5) 4 Year college isn't required at Virgin so they should be stapled since most of them could not have gotten hired at Alaskan.
6) No Alaskan FO ever left for Virgin. Btw, it's not true! After Kasher, at least two FOs left and upgraded to CA in less than 2 years.
7) I've paid my dues, got a 4 year degree, worked my way up through the regionals, and waited to get hired by Alaskan Airways. I could have gone to Virgin for the quick upgrade but I held out for Alaskan. It's not fair that I've paid my dues and waited for Alaskan only to get bumped by Virgin pilots.
8) Any Virgin pilots hired after 2xxx should be integrated x to x ratio. Or more like, 2xxx=one's year hired. What about meeeeeee?!?!

All of these opinions have some validity, some more than others, but they are just that...opinions and we all know the saying, "everyone has an ***hole and an opinion".
Like I've said in a previous post, none of us asked for this. It is just a business decision and the employees always get to deal with the pain. It's going to get ugly before it gets better. Ya'll can hide behind the keyboard as always but try and keep it somewhat civil. Gloves off....let's go!

You have no credibility here 2loud. Your whining, your woe is me, this place sucks and your insistence on saying Alaskan is tiresome and juvenile. I'm certainly not interested in your posts anymore. I doubt anyone in the mainstream of our seniority list is either. But you'll always have a place here to whine and moan. Gloves off.

Why do you keep saying AlaskaN? When did Alaska insert an N in their name?

Because 2loud is a troll. It's his way of teasing the rest of us Alaska Pilots. I'm pretty sure he is 12 years old.

Riverside
04-09-2016, 01:41 PM
2loud you need to stop pretending you're a CEO. You're doing a terrible job at it and everyone wants you fired.

2loud
04-09-2016, 02:01 PM
mike734,
You really do have a reading comprehension problem there buddy. I didn't realize the FAA can waive the "English Proficient" requirement. You are definitely a success story and I can see that the swim across the river was well worth it for you. I hope you feel better real soon. I hear menopause can be a painful time in your life. I'm guessing you have cajones envy by the looks of your avatar.

Yetifan
04-09-2016, 02:03 PM
Don't feed the troll! It'll never leave!