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SayAlt
04-17-2016, 11:07 AM
I guess it was only a matter of time. Thank God no one was hurt or worse.


Drone Hits Landing British Airways A320 At Heathrow Airport


At approximately 12:50hrs, on Sunday, 17 April, a pilot on an inbound flight into Heathrow Airport from Geneva reported to police that he believed a drone had struck the aircraft.

The flight landed at Heathrow Terminal 5 safely.

A British Airways spokesperson said the Airbus A320 was examined by engineers who said no major damage was done.

He said: "Our aircraft landed safely, was fully examined by our engineers and it was cleared to operate its next flight.

There have been six near misses at Heathrow in the last two months alone, according to Hounslow Police.

This is believed to be the first time a suspected drone has struck a passenger plane.

Drone crashes into British Airways passenger jet as it comes in to land at Heathrow Airport (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/drone-crashes-british-airways-passenger-7776727)


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avi8orco
04-17-2016, 02:41 PM
First probable drone collision in LHR....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspected-drone-hits-plane-landing-london-184845866.html

dsligon
04-17-2016, 03:11 PM
Alleged.... No damage no loss of life or spontaneous combustion. Can we tamper our drone hatred a bit now or at least tap the brakes?


avi8orco
04-17-2016, 03:13 PM
Did I imply hatred or the fact there was loss of life?

SayAlt
04-17-2016, 03:23 PM
Alleged.... No damage


None that grounded the airplane, anyway.

Can we tap the brakes on the "drones won't cause problems until proven otherwise" a little bit?

Waldorf
04-17-2016, 03:40 PM
Alleged.... No damage no loss of life or spontaneous combustion. Can we tamper our drone hatred a bit now or at least tap the brakes?

Just like we can tamper the brakes on lasers. You are right, minor damage is no big deal. No one hurt, again, not an issue. Jerks flying drones in the flight paths of airplanes, BIG issue.

dsligon
04-17-2016, 08:28 PM
Just like we can tamper the brakes on lasers. You are right, minor damage is no big deal. No one hurt, again, not an issue. Jerks flying drones in the flight paths of airplanes, BIG issue.



Jerks flying drones in the flight paths of drones are idiots . And idiots being idiots deserve the consequences of idiotic actions. What bothers me is the it finally happened mentality and the belittling of other segments of aviation simply because of an ego that's out of control.

Work the problem , don't go Fox News or msnbc on it and blow it out of proportion. We as an aviation community (drone pilots included )are dropping the ball on an opportunity to police ourselves and be mentors.

SayAlt
04-18-2016, 01:52 AM
Jerks flying drones in the flight paths of drones are idiots .

Thanks for sharing what bothers you. What bothers me is anyone who calls passenger jets "drones" (like you just did) and think people who "fly" drones are real pilots in an attempt to equate the two (as you are trying to do).

People who fly drones are not pilots, they are RC operators of RC drones. And since the drones we are talking about can fly and can be operated in airspace that real pilots fly in with passengers on board, they need to be strictly and stringently regulated. And they will be, rest assured.

Your next question is going to be "why aren't RC operators 'pilots' "? The answer is simple. Because they won't die if/when something goes wrong and their drone crashes, as well as the fact that their 'skills' do not allow them to fly a real airplane. Not even close. A real pilot can fly a drone with some minimal training. An RC operator would require a great deal of training in order to competently fly a real airplane safely.

So no, they are not one and the same. And never will be. Ever.

Furthermore, what also bothers me is that RC operators (like yourself) desperately want to co-opt the credibility and legitimacy of real pilots and the real aviation community to legitimize their toys. So you get "idiots" (your term) who say BS like "we as an aviation community" have no business "belittling another segment of aviation".

The problem, sir, is being created EXCLUSIVELY by the RC community, and as such it is exclusively theirs to "work". Real pilots and the real aviation community have every right to go to Fox News or any other media outlet to inform the public of the real and present danger the currently unregulated and out-of-control RC community represents to the flying public.

What is laughable is an RC operator coming onto a professional pilots forum and spewing the pablum you just did and telling everyone he is bothered by the "it finally happened" mentality, then presuming to lecture professional pilots to "work the problem".

Talk about out of control egos. Geez.

FlyJSH
04-18-2016, 04:40 AM
Alleged.... No damage no loss of life or spontaneous combustion. Can we tamper our drone hatred a bit now or at least tap the brakes?

Since you are flying a Seminole WITHOUT laminated windows, have a look at this
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That's a nice, juicy Canada Goose built with muscle, fat, and brittle bones weighing about 9 lbs. (average according to Wikipedia) which kinda turns into jello on impact.

Contrast to a quad copter weighing say 4 lbs made of plastic, carbon fiber, and carrying a 1.5 lbs BRICK of batteries.

TankerDriver
04-18-2016, 06:41 AM
Unfortunately these idiots are going to ruin a fun hobby for the people who are responsible enough to keep their R/C equipment away from real aircraft.

dsligon
04-18-2016, 05:31 PM
Thanks for sharing what bothers you. What bothers me is anyone who calls passenger jets "drones" (like you just did) and think people who "fly" drones are real pilots in an attempt to equate the two (as you are trying to do).

People who fly drones are not pilots, they are RC operators of RC drones. And since the drones we are talking about can fly and can be operated in airspace that real pilots fly in with passengers on board, they need to be strictly and stringently regulated. And they will be, rest assured.

Your next question is going to be "why aren't RC operators 'pilots' "? The answer is simple. Because they won't die if/when something goes wrong and their drone crashes, as well as the fact that their 'skills' do not allow them to fly a real airplane. Not even close. A real pilot can fly a drone with some minimal training. An RC operator would require a great deal of training in order to competently fly a real airplane safely.

So no, they are not one and the same. And never will be. Ever.

Furthermore, what also bothers me is that RC operators (like yourself) desperately want to co-opt the credibility and legitimacy of real pilots and the real aviation community to legitimize their toys. So you get "idiots" (your term) who say BS like "we as an aviation community" have no business "belittling another segment of aviation".

The problem, sir, is being created EXCLUSIVELY by the RC community, and as such it is exclusively theirs to "work". Real pilots and the real aviation community have every right to go to Fox News or any other media outlet to inform the public of the real and present danger the currently unregulated and out-of-control RC community represents to the flying public.

What is laughable is an RC operator coming onto a professional pilots forum and spewing the pablum you just did and telling everyone he is bothered by the "it finally happened" mentality, then presuming to lecture professional pilots to "work the problem".

Talk about out of control egos. Geez.



You are so out of touch with reality you actually believe RC pilots are out to get you? Most RC enthusiasts would love nothing more than have a job flying airplanes. Yes some are douchebags with a quadcopter but hey plenty of douchebags fly in all segments of aviation.

The problem lies with your instance that a problem exists when one doesn't exist. 1 aircraft allegedly hit doesn't make a crisis but because of you butt hurt ego you decide to slam future pilots.

Let me tell you a story ... I started flying models at 5 years old with my grandfather and that led to a career in 121 that Iam proud of. You can belittle me call me names and make fun of me that's fine. But at the end of the day you are just a bully deciding RC is beneath you.

Drones are here to stay and guys like you pretend you own the air beneath you but you don't ... Get used to it.

Left Handed
04-18-2016, 05:50 PM
Drones are here to stay and guys like you pretend you own the air beneath you but you don't ... Get used to it.

In fact, the FAA owns the air near airports. Drones should be no where near them. Unfortunately, most drone owners neither know or care about the airspace around them. In my opinion all drones should be equipped with registered transponders that relay the owners info to ATC. That would stop most of these shenanigans.

SayAlt
04-18-2016, 06:08 PM
You are so out of touch with reality you actually believe RC pilots are out to get you?


rofl

Please point to where I said anything like that....out to get me. lol




Most RC enthusiasts would love nothing more than have a job flying airplanes.

So they spend their $$ on toys instead of flight instruction. Got it.




Yes some are douchebags with a quadcopter


You said that. I didn't.




The problem lies with your instance...



http://www.relatably.com/m/img/groaning-memes/meme-generator-free-download-mac-184-how-to-get-spider-man-into-the-avengers-marvel-cinematic-universe.png





1 aircraft allegedly hit doesn't make a crisis


How many have to die before there is a crisis in your opinion?





you decide to slam future pilots.


Nope, just idiots who fly drones in airport approaches.




Let me tell you a story ...

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Fascinating.



RC is beneath you.


Hopefully. I'd hate for one of my engines to ingest one, causing an unnecessary emergency.




Drones are here to stay



You don't say. Really??




guys like you pretend you own the air beneath you but you don't ...

Actually, I do. At least 1,000' of the air beneath me under IFR, according to ATC and the FAA.

Thanks for playing.

rickair7777
04-18-2016, 07:27 PM
MOD INPUT: Chill out please people. This topic is worthy of conversation but let's not get too bent out of a shape. I think everyone here is a pro pilot of some sort and has legit insight on this.

My Take: Due to commercial/political pressure and eye-rolling on the part of the public, the FAA will under-regulate this growing segment and eventually something bad will happen. Likely a few light-piston accidents, or maybe even a serious 121 incident. Then the pendulum will swing hard the other way and drones will be highly restricted in airspace and have to carry some sort of transponder. And yes the RC community will get tarred with the same wide brush. Not fair, but that's how it's going to go down.

Unless amazon manages to establish a large-scale near-real-time drone delivery system before the accidents happen. In that case the needs of public convenience will outweigh the needs of public safety.

Toasty
04-19-2016, 03:57 AM
Alleged.... No damage no loss of life or spontaneous combustion. Can we tamper our drone hatred a bit now or at least tap the brakes?

I don't have any hatred towards drones, but I have a concern about something that has the potential to be used in a dangerous way.

I wouldn't want drones to be banned, and I don't even own one. The EU are looking at implementing some sensible legislation, such as geo-fencing, which will place restrictions on drone activity, without banning them.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/205933-01-EASA_Summary%20of%20the%20ANPA.pdf

I think it better for everyone this legislation is implemented as soon as possible. The alternative is that nothing is done until someone flies a drone into the intake of a CF-56 engine, and then there will be a knee-jerk reaction from governments, and they will be banned outright.

cardiomd
04-22-2016, 12:40 PM
Transportation minister says it was probably just a plastic bag. :rolleyes: I've seen quite a few of those at frankly surprising heights floating around.

Drone believed to have hit British Airways flight 'may have been a plastic bag' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/21/drone-believed-to-have-hit-british-airways-flight-may-have-been/)

Airhoss
04-27-2016, 03:14 PM
I am calling for the immediate cessation of self levitating trash bags in the vicinity of Class ABC or D airspace. After all these things are nothing more than DIRT BAGS!

evamodel00
04-29-2016, 07:24 AM
just in : Fox news reports real pilots and the real aviation community are demanding bans on carrying plastic bags within a 5 mile radius of any airport.

cardiomd
05-01-2016, 04:44 PM
I am calling for the immediate cessation of self levitating trash bags in the vicinity of Class ABC or D airspace. After all these things are nothing more than DIRT BAGS!

I've been surprised at how the bags get way up there. Many stores charge a few cents for them, which is probably not the worst idea just to get everybody to think whether they need them or not. Lots of laws on this in California.



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