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vagabond
05-25-2016, 12:39 PM
Mr. vagabond and I are interested in JFK to MXP in November. Has anyone taken their A380 in economy? I saw their seat map - it's 3-4-3.

Any comments, advice, perspective appreciated.


Check 6
05-25-2016, 01:42 PM
I have only ridden up front....But I did walk thru the cabin. It looked much nicer and more spacious than any other economy cabin I have seen. Enjoy! :D

Flytolive
05-25-2016, 02:23 PM
By all means support one of the banes of our profession while they exercise their ill-gotten 7th freedom 'rights' and dump seats into the trans-Atlantic market. Happy trails.


PILOTGUY
05-26-2016, 01:24 PM
By all means support one of the banes of our profession while they exercise their ill-gotten 7th freedom 'rights' and dump seats into the trans-Atlantic market. Happy trails.

Hahaha, I think you mean 'Fill seats'.

380 economy is the best econ I have flown, and I have tried many. JFK to Dubai about 5 years ago.
Seat is comfy, and the bottom slides out some as the seat reclines.
Inflight entertainment screen is the size of an iPad.

Hmmm, sounds like a few of the reasons the seats are full, even though the ticket costs more.;)

Flytolive
05-26-2016, 01:47 PM
Hmmm, sounds like a few of the reasons the seats are full, even though the ticket costs more.;)A product that the market couldn't possible support. Only with $42B in government subsidies over 10 years could the ME3 offer such things like FC 'apartments.'

SuperLolo
05-26-2016, 04:15 PM
How do you like that pay review, Mr PilotGuy?

CaptYoda
05-26-2016, 08:36 PM
Whatever you may say about the ME and Asian carriers, their service in the cabin and in general beats almost every US airline. Whatever, their internal issues may be, to the customer they put on a very good show. The European carriers are also better than ours when it comes to service. I remember travelling from Saudi in the 90's to KATL. We would hope that the flight was run by KLM and not NWA when we bought a code-share ticket. As a US expat, I would say that outstanding customer service experience is prevalent predominantly outside the USA these days. :(

The Dominican
05-26-2016, 09:27 PM
Agreed......! We need to stop trying to find excuses and start recognizing that there is a problem...., if you look at the best performing airlines around the world..., you just cannot pin "subsidies or young cabin attendants" as a common denominator..., many of the best airlines in the world operate in a very competitive market with work rules as demanding if not more than those in the US..., many of them have a very senior staff as well.

They just do a better job, plain and simple!

PILOTGUY
05-27-2016, 04:08 AM
How do you like that pay review, Mr PilotGuy?

What about it? I haven't seen details yet.
4 flts, 76hrs with 20 days off for June. THAT is what I want. I make enough money.

A product that the market couldn't possible support. Only with $42B in government subsidies over 10 years could the ME3 offer such things like FC 'apartments.'

Of which zero ($0) had to do with EK.

The US airlines shed BILLIONS of dollars in debt via bankruptcy court alone. UAL took over $200,000 per year from my parents by obliterating their pensions. (Thankfully they were very successful investors). So don't expect an ounce of support from me

Well, I know it is hard to fathom ( even for me), but a lot of people have more money than they know what to do with.
Selling that apartment, which happens a lot according to my friends to the south, pays for the entire flight.


Anyone else want to hijack the thread? Maybe we can talk about Brexit. Hillary bashing could be fun at least.

Flytolive
05-27-2016, 04:33 AM
Of which zero ($0) had to do with EK.Of course.

Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum (Arabic: أحمد بن سعيد آل مكتوم‎‎) is the president of the Department of Civil Aviation, CEO and chairman of The Emirates Group and Chairman of Dubai World. He is the youngest son (begotten at age 80) of former Ruler of Dubai Sheikh Saeed bin Maktoum bin Hasher Al Maktoum, the brother of former Ruler of Dubai Sheikh Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum and the uncle of the current Ruler of Dubai Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum.

Flytolive
05-27-2016, 04:37 AM
Whatever you may say about the ME and Asian carriers, their service in the cabin and in general beats almost every US airline.It is amazing how $42B in government subsidies, no pesky labor protections or a free press allows you to 'motivate' your employees and pimp out your cabins.

Then there are the poor folks who built all that infrastructure.

Human rights organizations have complained about violations of human rights in Dubai. Most notably, some of the 250,000 foreign laborers in the city have been alleged to live in conditions described by Human Rights Watch as being "less than humane." The mistreatment of foreign workers was a subject of the disputed 2009 documentary, Slaves of Dubai.

Then there is Qatar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar

CaptYoda
05-27-2016, 07:27 AM
We are talking about airline service and customer service in general and not about a country's human rights record. Plenty of countries in the world make the list for human rights violations, and the US is on that list as well.

Check into a 5 Star hotel in India for example (Oberoi, Taj Group) and then do the same in the US. You will be enlightened, I guarantee it!

Flytolive
05-28-2016, 05:32 PM
We are talking about airline serviceAnd how the ME3 are able to offer the service they do. It is built on a complete lack of labor protections, massive government subsidies ($42B in ten years) and massive dumping of seats around the world. It is no different than countries dumping steel or high def TVs.

Passengers should know what their fares are supporting.

CaptYoda
05-29-2016, 08:29 AM
Passengers search for the best fare and good service when they can get it. It is unlikely that most have any real concern about labor protections at the ME3. It's a bit like the reaction you get sometimes from pax when you delay or cancel a flight because of a safety related issue. No thanks to you!

Beaver Hunter
05-30-2016, 09:46 PM
Some will never get it. Some will justify why they should have it. It's why evil is taken a grip on humanity. We all seem to justify our little position. I would not be caught dead in a ME carrier.

atpcliff
05-31-2016, 02:02 AM
I recently flew Economy on an Asian -380 from JFK-ICN. The seats are wider, with more legroom, than normal coach seats. The entertainment screen was very large. I would say I had about the same room on the Asiana 380 economy seat, as I do on a CRJ-700/900 "First Class" seat. I was very surprised at the amount of room offered, and the size of the screen. I would have no problem flying in Economy on a -380...

Denti
05-31-2016, 04:31 AM
The question of subsidies is a pretty difficult one. The US carriers do work closely together with european legacy carriers, all of whom were government owned just a few years ago and many of which have still at least half their fleet bought by their country, like for example lufthansa, air france or KLM, not to mention outright government owned airlines like South African, Air Namibia, Malaysian etc. All of whom receive substantial subsidies as well. And of course several legacy carriers are either now part-owned by one of the dreaded ME carriers or work very closely with them. For example british airways and Iberia's parent company has a major shareholder in Qatar Airways, Qantas works very closely with Emirates, Air Berlin is financed by Abu Dhabi and all chinese carriers are basically government entities.

On the other hand the construct of chapter 11 is very unique and allows easy restructuring and getting rid of unwanted, old contracts and could be seen as an organizational subsidy. See for example the fate of the pension systems that used to exist in the US carriers.

As someone who is dependent on gulf state money, but enjoys a much better labour protection than US employees will ever dream of, i can see several sides of the argument.

Speedbird2263
06-01-2016, 08:21 PM
Mr. vagabond and I are interested in JFK to MXP in November. Has anyone taken their A380 in economy? I saw their seat map - it's 3-4-3.

Any comments, advice, perspective appreciated.

Wife and I got left behind in MXP a few months ago by DL due a last minute Payload Optimized flight. We thought we had got lucky after seeing our names cleared into FC but the gate agents called us up right before boarding and delivered the unfortunate news.

Our Plan B was to buy a last minute ZED on EK, which left MXP-JFK only about 3 hrs later on the A380 and my word, that has got to be the most comfortable Economy class seat I've ever sat in and I'm 6'3" >280lbs. Someone mentioned it being akin to a CRJ FC seat and it's not far off! Entertainment and Cabin service was really top notch. Just reporting my own personal experience. YMMV.

-2263

Sniper66
06-01-2016, 09:39 PM
[QUOTE=PILOTGUY;2135939

The US airlines shed BILLIONS of dollars in debt via bankruptcy court alone. UAL took over $200,000 per year from my parents by obliterating their pensions. (Thankfully they were very successful investors). So don't expect an ounce of support from me





As per your quote above Mr pilotguy

Can you tell us your name so we can make sure you don't use your parents employment to get a preferential interview at UAL


So don't expect an ounce of support from us either
Maybe we can do a little research to find your identity as well

Thank you
DEN TK

captjns
06-02-2016, 12:35 AM
[QUOTE=PILOTGUY;2135939

The US airlines shed BILLIONS of dollars in debt via bankruptcy court alone. UAL took over $200,000 per year from my parents by obliterating their pensions. (Thankfully they were very successful investors). So don't expect an ounce of support from me





As per your quote above Mr pilotguy

Can you tell us your name so we can make sure you don't use your parents employment to get a preferential interview at UAL


So don't expect an ounce of support from us either
Maybe we can do a little research to find your identity as well

Thank you
DEN TK

Sooo... You're OKAY how old UAL screwed their employees and management went home to their homes where mortgage payments were not an issue.

Righhhhhhht.... And your favorite Koolaide flavor is?:rolleyes:

Sooo enlighten us.... how many airline bankruptcies and pension terminations have you been through sport?

CaptYoda
06-02-2016, 09:48 PM
Delta payback, I guess?

Qatar Airways' Inaugural Flight To Atlanta Gets Gate-Blocked By Delta - One Mile at a Time (http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/06/01/qatar-airways-atlanta-inaugural-flight/)

CaptYoda
06-04-2016, 04:23 AM
Qatar CEO Calls Delta ?Wicked? for Ruined Doha-Atlanta Trip - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/qatar-ceo-blasts-wicked-delta-actions-that-ruined-atlanta-trip)

Sniper66
06-04-2016, 12:01 PM
Sooo... You're OKAY how old UAL screwed their employees and management went home to their homes where mortgage payments were not an issue.

Righhhhhhht.... And your favorite Koolaide flavor is?:rolleyes:

Sooo enlighten us.... how many airline bankruptcies and pension terminations have you been through sport?[/QUOTE









Mind your business kid

Typhoonpilot
06-04-2016, 04:55 PM
Sooo... You're OKAY how old UAL screwed their employees and management went home to their homes where mortgage payments were not an issue.

Righhhhhhht.... And your favorite Koolaide flavor is?:rolleyes:

Sooo enlighten us.... how many airline bankruptcies and pension terminations have you been through sport?[/QUOTE









Mind your business kid



That quote function is tricky :D

captjns
06-05-2016, 04:28 AM
Sooo... You're OKAY how old UAL screwed their employees and management went home to their homes where mortgage payments were not an issue.

Righhhhhhht.... And your favorite Koolaide flavor is?:rolleyes:

Sooo enlighten us.... how many airline bankruptcies and pension terminations have you been through sport?









Mind your business kid


And this is the reason for the BS Card.;)

Flytolive
06-05-2016, 05:19 AM
Qatar CEO Calls Delta ?Wicked? for Ruined Doha-Atlanta Trip - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/qatar-ceo-blasts-wicked-delta-actions-that-ruined-atlanta-trip)This is the absolute height of hypocrisy. Qatar Airways simply didn't follow the rules at ATL with their late plane change from a 777 to a A380, but Hamad Int'l Airport (Doha) that he also runs has refused to ever provide United Airlines a gate. Then there is the word 'wicked' used by a leader from a country with with one of the worst human rights records on the planet about a gate issue.

Forced labor: https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2015/country-chapters/qatar

Human rights violations: UN gives Qatar a year to end forced labour of migrant workers | Global development | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/24/un-gives-qatar-year-end-forced-labour-migrant-workers)

Sniper66
06-07-2016, 09:27 PM
That quote function is tricky :D



Reminds you of Dubai I am sure

PILOTGUY
08-16-2016, 09:26 AM
Sooo... You're OKAY how old UAL screwed their employees and management went home to their homes where mortgage payments were not an issue.

Righhhhhhht.... And your favorite Koolaide flavor is?:rolleyes:

Sooo enlighten us.... how many airline bankruptcies and pension terminations have you been through sport?[/QUOTE









Mind your business kid

Ha!! Wow, what an amazing reply.

You don't need any names, as you won't be seeing my name on an app at UAL, ever.
You just drinking from the company toilet so you don't lose your ability for witty comebacks.

Oh, and I will just leave this for you here.

Victory for Gulf airlines as US government ends Open Skies row with no further action | The National (http://m.thenational.ae/business/aviation/victory-for-gulf-airlines-as-us-government-ends-open-skies-row-with-no-further-action)



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