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Makanakis
01-31-2017, 08:32 AM
Trans States Airlines Announces New Pilot Bonus and Retention Program (http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/north-america/trans-state-airlines-announces-new-pilot-bonus-retention-program/)


DirkDiggler
01-31-2017, 08:57 AM
http://www.transstates.net/careers/Pages/pilots.aspx

It's funny to see these clowns don't really understand the definition of compensation.

Compensation - (n) NORTH AMERICAN -
the money received by an employee from an employer as a salary or wages.

Per Diem - a reimbursement for being away from your home. Not compensation.

Benefits....not compensation either.

They state that the 2nd bonus is payable AFTER one year of active service but include it in the first year total. These people are like used car salesmen.

PackPilot
01-31-2017, 09:16 AM
http://www.transstates.net/careers/Pages/pilots.aspx

It's funny to see these clowns don't really understand the definition of compensation.

Compensation - (n) NORTH AMERICAN -
the money received by an employee from an employer as a salary or wages.

Per Diem - a reimbursement for being away from your home. Not compensation.

Benefits....not compensation either.

They state that the 2nd bonus is payable AFTER one year of active service but include it in the first year total. These people are like used car salesmen.

Republic has been been doing the same thing for a while now re the "total compensation package." I think Rjet advertises "$64,900 in total compensation."

Regarding when they pay the bonus, that's splitting hairs a bit don't you think? Almost all jobs pay you AFTER you do the work, whether that's every 2 weeks, every month, or whenever. It's a retention bonus, requiring that you be there one year. At least that's my understanding.


Case I
01-31-2017, 10:10 AM
"And $10,000 in bonuses if the company reaches pilot hiring targets."

Hush money to keep APC forum in check.

iahflyr
01-31-2017, 11:15 AM
So which regionals are offering bonuses and which are not? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Offering:
PSA
Piedmont
Envoy
Endeavour
Go Jet
Trans States
Republic

Not Offering:
Mesa
Skywest
Compass
Horizon
AWAC

Unknown:
Expressjet

Name User
01-31-2017, 12:59 PM
How does Mesa attract anyone these days? Their draw was always quick upgrade but now everyone has that.

Ohlsan
01-31-2017, 01:07 PM
So which regionals are offering bonuses and which are not? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Offering:
PSA
Piedmont
Envoy
Endeavour
Go Jet
Trans States
Republic

Not Offering:
Mesa
Skywest
Compass
Horizon
AWAC

Unknown:
Expressjet

Horizon has a bonus

Duesenflieger
01-31-2017, 01:28 PM
Nothing brings me greater satisfaction than all the regionals raising the stakes drawing in more starry eyed pilots.

Saucy Dingo
01-31-2017, 01:32 PM
CommutAir has a bonus for previous 121.

backtoregionals
01-31-2017, 01:33 PM
CommutAir has a new hire bonus up to 15k

Squallrider
01-31-2017, 01:36 PM
So which regionals are offering bonuses and which are not? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Offering:
PSA
Piedmont
Envoy
Endeavour
Go Jet
Trans States
Republic

Not Offering:
Mesa
Skywest
Compass
Horizon
AWAC

Unknown:
Expressjet

SkyWest offers 7500 sign on bonus if you have a type over 12,500 or currently work for 121 / 135 operator

Squallrider
01-31-2017, 01:39 PM
Lol tsa career page takes credit for how fast people moved on to mainline etc. TSA/any regional contributes nothing to your mainline chances.

caylejqx
01-31-2017, 02:06 PM
Horizon has a bonus

But its going against the pilot group hence the lawsuit they just filed. Also they are offering a $7500 education bonus to students. Dont know what its contracted out to be term wise but I know they have that number going to students.

pitchtrim
01-31-2017, 02:17 PM
Awac has retention bonuses.

PSA help
01-31-2017, 02:59 PM
Skywest is a good company and people like working there. They have great bases, and a lot of them. Right now, there is movement in the company. They are filling classes without bonuses, so no real need to implement them yet.

I think Mesa has a bonus, sort of. A little one, that is payable over a couple of years. Not really worth spending time looking at it, because it is still way too little.

Mr Rumbold
01-31-2017, 03:13 PM
Mesa has a bonus.

PosRateGearUp
01-31-2017, 03:38 PM
CommutAir has a bonus for previous 121.

Commutair has a bonus for all new hires, previous 121 gets you more, up to $15k.

Duesenflieger
01-31-2017, 04:04 PM
Lol tsa career page takes credit for how fast people moved on to mainline etc. TSA/any regional contributes nothing to your mainline chances.

Probably military pilots that went to TSA for a brief year and were thereafter quickly scooped up by a legacy...but yeah, it is deceptive and and lame of them to post those "facts".

RgrMurdock
01-31-2017, 06:00 PM
Mesa has a bonus.

Even with Mesa's bonus included in compensation, they still fall far short of almost every regional carrier WITHOUT their bonus included in compensation.

idlethrust
01-31-2017, 06:13 PM
Mesa has a bonus.

Read the fine print for Mesa. 30k bonus paid out over 4years.Laughable.
You can get 20k bonus within the first 6 months plus retention bonus ,plus more than double the hourly rate at any of the WO"s right out the gate.So Mesa is still way behind everyone else.

HighFlight
01-31-2017, 06:21 PM
$10K per pilot referral for one. Phone interview for two.

How does Mesa attract anyone these days? Their draw was always quick upgrade but now everyone has that.

Saucy Dingo
01-31-2017, 07:08 PM
Commutair has a bonus for all new hires, previous 121 gets you more, up to $15k.
You're right. Forgive my ignorance.

snackysmores
01-31-2017, 07:14 PM
Add Horizon into its own category "Illegally Offering."

Bellanca
01-31-2017, 09:23 PM
Add Horizon into its own category "Illegally Offering."

That's the way with most signing bonuses... pretty much all of them were/ are against contract.

Ashes
01-31-2017, 09:41 PM
That's the way with most signing bonuses... pretty much all of them were/ are against contract.

So, was the TSA incentive negotiated or simply decreed?

JAAB9TEEN
01-31-2017, 10:19 PM
This is not just a recruiting tool. This is a contractual agreement with the company and the union. There are retention bonuses for those on property as well. We will know the full details in a couple days.

Glad2fly
01-31-2017, 10:34 PM
So which regionals are offering bonuses and which are not? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Offering:
PSA
Piedmont
Envoy
Endeavour
Go Jet
Trans States
Republic

Not Offering:
Mesa
Skywest
Compass
Horizon
AWAC

Unknown:
Expressjet

Skywest offers $7500 for prior jet type or 135 experience. Given out after completion of IOE.

Mr Rumbold
02-01-2017, 03:34 AM
Read the fine print for Mesa. 30k bonus paid out over 4years.Laughable.
You can get 20k bonus within the first 6 months plus retention bonus ,plus more than double the hourly rate at any of the WO"s right out the gate.So Mesa is still way behind everyone else.


I didn't say it was a *good* bonus.

minimwage4
02-01-2017, 06:48 AM
They're just putting lipstick on a pig, ploshing a turd etc... most you fly with want to get out of here yesterday but 30k of theoretical money in 2 years is not bad.

scflyer
02-01-2017, 01:26 PM
So I知 one of the Compass guys that have been placed into the hiring pool. Initially I wanted to wait for Compass as I知 on the West Coast however there doesn稚 seem to be much if any movement there. Being offered positions at either GoJets or TSA I was favoring GoJets because of the bonus and what I thought was a junior FO base in DEN. Now it seems looking at GoJets Den is senior and TSA is offering a much larger bonus and junior Den base. The money is not as important to me as a short commute, can anyone confirm junior bases at either for both FO and CA? Thank you in advance for any input. Lastly I have done my research and I知 well aware of the stigma of these two choices, I do have my own reasons.

Andytcsi
02-01-2017, 01:53 PM
So I知 one of the Compass guys that have been placed into the hiring pool. Initially I wanted to wait for Compass as I知 on the West Coast however there doesn稚 seem to be much if any movement there. Being offered positions at either GoJets or TSA I was favoring GoJets because of the bonus and what I thought was a junior FO base in DEN. Now it seems looking at GoJets Den is senior and TSA is offering a much larger bonus and junior Den base. The money is not as important to me as a short commute, can anyone confirm junior bases at either for both FO and CA? Thank you in advance for any input. Lastly I have done my research and I知 well aware of the stigma of these two choices, I do have my own reasons.

check your PM

DirtySponge
02-01-2017, 02:47 PM
check your PM

Den is junior right now

m20cmark21
02-01-2017, 10:24 PM
They're just putting lipstick on a pig, ploshing a turd etc... most you fly with want to get out of here yesterday but 30k of theoretical money in 2 years is not bad.

It's a regional... nobody wants to be here forever. The ones that are forced to be are bitter that they can't get hired by "a major," and in my experience they are few and far between. As I've said before, get in, get your time, move on. For now this makes a good situation for a first airline position and gaining experience even better. No regional will ever compete with $85/hour first year pay flying a 737, anyone who thinks so is delusional.

Rmk1991
02-01-2017, 10:49 PM
So I知 one of the Compass guys that have been placed into the hiring pool. Initially I wanted to wait for Compass as I知 on the West Coast however there doesn稚 seem to be much if any movement there. Being offered positions at either GoJets or TSA I was favoring GoJets because of the bonus and what I thought was a junior FO base in DEN. Now it seems looking at GoJets Den is senior and TSA is offering a much larger bonus and junior Den base. The money is not as important to me as a short commute, can anyone confirm junior bases at either for both FO and CA? Thank you in advance for any input. Lastly I have done my research and I知 well aware of the stigma of these two choices, I do have my own reasons.


DEN is the junior base for FOs right now. Every new hire is being sent to DEN with most of the growth coming into DEN. American side will remain about the same size it is now. IAD will shrink slightly more than it's current size. CA junior base has been RDU for awhile, however some have been upgrading into DEN lately. DEN has the most block hours per base, however the flying is being done by DEN, ORD, STL and even IAD crews. We've been told to expect some new city pairs out of Denver in the near future. Hope this helps.

minimwage4
02-03-2017, 07:11 AM
It's a regional... nobody wants to be here forever. The ones that are forced to be are bitter that they can't get hired by "a major," and in my experience they are few and far between. As I've said before, get in, get your time, move on. For now this makes a good situation for a first airline position and gaining experience even better. No regional will ever compete with $85/hour first year pay flying a 737, anyone who thinks so is delusional.

No but it can at least be a respectable place.

Ashes
02-03-2017, 09:23 AM
No but it can at least be a respectable place.

Dream on. The folks at Comair flipped the script back in 2001, but in roughly a year pilot groups were shoving each other out of the way in their eagerness to start giving it all back. Whole new airlines were conjured out of thin air solely on the premise of undercutting the established bottom-feeders like Mesa. The sad fact of the matter is that any time that management wants to screw you, they rarely have to look any farther than the person sitting next to you in the cockpit to do it for them.

bonesbrigade
02-03-2017, 10:01 AM
That's the way with most signing bonuses... pretty much all of them were/ are against contract.

Endeavor's MEC signed off on ours before it was awarded.

Bellanca
02-03-2017, 08:15 PM
So, was the TSA incentive negotiated or simply decreed?

Started out with negotiations. From what I understand the negotiations started to break down when the union tried to get equal retention bonuses for captains and FOs. Holdings didn't feel like retention bonuses were worthwhile for captains. So they ended up coming to the union with this package as kind of a "take it or leave it". Certainly not ideal, but the union secured bonuses for everyone by agreeing to the package, although the captain bonuses are smaller than people hoped for.

The union is still trying to negotiate higher pay rates across the board as part of our upcoming PBS agreement/vote.

Bellanca
02-03-2017, 08:18 PM
Endeavor's MEC signed off on ours before it was awarded.

I was referring to signing bonuses. Typically the packages that include retention money for everyone in the pilot group are not against contract and/or the union agrees to.



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