Atlas / Southern
04-16-2020, 05:26 AM
#1011
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Joined APC: Mar 2020
Posts: 218
Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
Not sure why someone who doesn’t work here would consider it “wishful thinking” however, Once the union hands over a seniority list in a few weeks (finally), we will move towards a single operating certificate (SOC.) Southern will continue exist only as a few good memories, a few bad memories, and a faded paint job.
04-16-2020, 06:34 AM
#1012
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: 747 CA
Posts: 344
To all of you who might find yourselves at this glorious outfit in the near future, I give you some free advice from a regular line CA.
I can only speak about the 747, but much of this will apply to all air-frames. You are all pilots, and you know how to fly already. The problem is the amount of information and compressed training time at the school house. You will be drinking from a fire hose even though the training has certainly improved since my initial. Your first goal is to pass your type ride and oral. You MUST do this!
Then, you will have to get through OE, which will most likely be a wam bam thank you mam experience. You will probably be signed off without having done a North Atlantic crossing. You will have no clue what you are doing, and a line Captain will have to teach you. When this happens, please be upfront and tell the CA that you have never done this before. Then, please be open minded and teachable.
The 747 is a big airplane, but it is still an airplane. It is not difficult to fly, but you must respect two laws! The law of wings level at touchdown and center line discipline. These two laws will keep you out of about 95% of the danger.
Most of you who have flown more advanced airplanes, like the E175, etc, will find the FMS antiquated. It will not do things that you take for granted. You will have to recage your mindset a bit. Hand fly the airplane every chance you get. Ask lots of questions. Study on your own.
You are now going to be flying on 6 different continents with only 24 hours notice, and your ATP is on the line too. You will be singing the flight plan as PIC while I am sleeping.
Get a noise cancelling headset!!!!! That especially goes for you old guys who have never flown internationally and can't understand what the Korean lady is saying. Read the notes before your flight. AMS is not playing around when they say "call sign only". Learn how to talk on the radio. Learn ICAO radio terminology.
You sound like an amateur or a Delta pilot when you say to Tokyo control "Giant forty five seventy five climbing 5.5 for 10." And it makes it much harder for the everyone else. You can get away with that in the States, and it doesn't bother me in that case, but this is unacceptable internationally.
You will find yourself slipping into a 3-4 hour sleep cycle on the road. This is the result of cumulative fatigue. It comes with the territory. Life at Atlas is feast or famine, and there is no typical pattern. Learn to get some exercise and clean up your nutrition as much as possible. Even walking will help a lot. You will have to find out what works for you by trial an error. Always and never don't apply in our situation.
Good luck and remember that fate is a hunter!
I can only speak about the 747, but much of this will apply to all air-frames. You are all pilots, and you know how to fly already. The problem is the amount of information and compressed training time at the school house. You will be drinking from a fire hose even though the training has certainly improved since my initial. Your first goal is to pass your type ride and oral. You MUST do this!
Then, you will have to get through OE, which will most likely be a wam bam thank you mam experience. You will probably be signed off without having done a North Atlantic crossing. You will have no clue what you are doing, and a line Captain will have to teach you. When this happens, please be upfront and tell the CA that you have never done this before. Then, please be open minded and teachable.
The 747 is a big airplane, but it is still an airplane. It is not difficult to fly, but you must respect two laws! The law of wings level at touchdown and center line discipline. These two laws will keep you out of about 95% of the danger.
Most of you who have flown more advanced airplanes, like the E175, etc, will find the FMS antiquated. It will not do things that you take for granted. You will have to recage your mindset a bit. Hand fly the airplane every chance you get. Ask lots of questions. Study on your own.
You are now going to be flying on 6 different continents with only 24 hours notice, and your ATP is on the line too. You will be singing the flight plan as PIC while I am sleeping.
Get a noise cancelling headset!!!!! That especially goes for you old guys who have never flown internationally and can't understand what the Korean lady is saying. Read the notes before your flight. AMS is not playing around when they say "call sign only". Learn how to talk on the radio. Learn ICAO radio terminology.
You sound like an amateur or a Delta pilot when you say to Tokyo control "Giant forty five seventy five climbing 5.5 for 10." And it makes it much harder for the everyone else. You can get away with that in the States, and it doesn't bother me in that case, but this is unacceptable internationally.
You will find yourself slipping into a 3-4 hour sleep cycle on the road. This is the result of cumulative fatigue. It comes with the territory. Life at Atlas is feast or famine, and there is no typical pattern. Learn to get some exercise and clean up your nutrition as much as possible. Even walking will help a lot. You will have to find out what works for you by trial an error. Always and never don't apply in our situation.
Good luck and remember that fate is a hunter!
04-16-2020, 07:42 AM
#1013
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: L188
Posts: 979
Kust perfect
Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
To all of you who might find yourselves at this glorious outfit in the near future, I give you some free advice from a regular line CA.
I can only speak about the 747, but much of this will apply to all air-frames. You are all pilots, and you know how to fly already. The problem is the amount of information and compressed training time at the school house. You will be drinking from a fire hose even though the training has certainly improved since my initial. Your first goal is to pass your type ride and oral. You MUST do this!
Then, you will have to get through OE, which will most likely be a wam bam thank you mam experience. You will probably be signed off without having done a North Atlantic crossing. You will have no clue what you are doing, and a line Captain will have to teach you. When this happens, please be upfront and tell the CA that you have never done this before. Then, please be open minded and teachable.
The 747 is a big airplane, but it is still an airplane. It is not difficult to fly, but you must respect two laws! The law of wings level at touchdown and center line discipline. These two laws will keep you out of about 95% of the danger.
Most of you who have flown more advanced airplanes, like the E175, etc, will find the FMS antiquated. It will not do things that you take for granted. You will have to recage your mindset a bit. Hand fly the airplane every chance you get. Ask lots of questions. Study on your own.
You are now going to be flying on 6 different continents with only 24 hours notice, and your ATP is on the line too. You will be singing the flight plan as PIC while I am sleeping.
Get a noise cancelling headset!!!!! That especially goes for you old guys who have never flown internationally and can't understand what the Korean lady is saying. Read the notes before your flight. AMS is not playing around when they say "call sign only". Learn how to talk on the radio. Learn ICAO radio terminology.
You sound like an amateur or a Delta pilot when you say to Tokyo control "Giant forty five seventy five climbing 5.5 for 10." And it makes it much harder for the everyone else. You can get away with that in the States, and it doesn't bother me in that case, but this is unacceptable internationally.
You will find yourself slipping into a 3-4 hour sleep cycle on the road. This is the result of cumulative fatigue. It comes with the territory. Life at Atlas is feast or famine, and there is no typical pattern. Learn to get some exercise and clean up your nutrition as much as possible. Even walking will help a lot. You will have to find out what works for you by trial an error. Always and never don't apply in our situation.
Good luck and remember that fate is a hunter!
I can only speak about the 747, but much of this will apply to all air-frames. You are all pilots, and you know how to fly already. The problem is the amount of information and compressed training time at the school house. You will be drinking from a fire hose even though the training has certainly improved since my initial. Your first goal is to pass your type ride and oral. You MUST do this!
Then, you will have to get through OE, which will most likely be a wam bam thank you mam experience. You will probably be signed off without having done a North Atlantic crossing. You will have no clue what you are doing, and a line Captain will have to teach you. When this happens, please be upfront and tell the CA that you have never done this before. Then, please be open minded and teachable.
The 747 is a big airplane, but it is still an airplane. It is not difficult to fly, but you must respect two laws! The law of wings level at touchdown and center line discipline. These two laws will keep you out of about 95% of the danger.
Most of you who have flown more advanced airplanes, like the E175, etc, will find the FMS antiquated. It will not do things that you take for granted. You will have to recage your mindset a bit. Hand fly the airplane every chance you get. Ask lots of questions. Study on your own.
You are now going to be flying on 6 different continents with only 24 hours notice, and your ATP is on the line too. You will be singing the flight plan as PIC while I am sleeping.
Get a noise cancelling headset!!!!! That especially goes for you old guys who have never flown internationally and can't understand what the Korean lady is saying. Read the notes before your flight. AMS is not playing around when they say "call sign only". Learn how to talk on the radio. Learn ICAO radio terminology.
You sound like an amateur or a Delta pilot when you say to Tokyo control "Giant forty five seventy five climbing 5.5 for 10." And it makes it much harder for the everyone else. You can get away with that in the States, and it doesn't bother me in that case, but this is unacceptable internationally.
You will find yourself slipping into a 3-4 hour sleep cycle on the road. This is the result of cumulative fatigue. It comes with the territory. Life at Atlas is feast or famine, and there is no typical pattern. Learn to get some exercise and clean up your nutrition as much as possible. Even walking will help a lot. You will have to find out what works for you by trial an error. Always and never don't apply in our situation.
Good luck and remember that fate is a hunter!
Always brief, "If I say I have control, the answer is, YOU HAVE CONTROL"!
04-16-2020, 09:18 AM
#1015
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Position: B747 FO
Posts: 1,110
I will listen, I've always kept an open mind in the cockpit and understood that it doesn't matter how much you study or how good and skilled you think you are, the guy on your left have the type of experience only time can give. So I'd be an idiot if I didn't listen and use that resource to learn and become a better pilot. If you tell me about 10 mistakes you made back in the day, I could at least avoid a couple of mistakes when the time comes, just by being quiet and listening, priceless.
I'm on the younger side, and due to low experience, I'm pretty sure I'd end up on the 737, "IF" I got hired at all, but I'd have the same mentality.
I'm on the younger side, and due to low experience, I'm pretty sure I'd end up on the 737, "IF" I got hired at all, but I'd have the same mentality.
04-16-2020, 10:00 AM
#1016
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Retired
Posts: 651
Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
To all of you who might find yourselves at this glorious outfit in the near future, I give you some free advice from a regular line CA.
I can only speak about the 747, but much of this will apply to all air-frames. You are all pilots, and you know how to fly already. The problem is the amount of information and compressed training time at the school house. You will be drinking from a fire hose even though the training has certainly improved since my initial. Your first goal is to pass your type ride and oral. You MUST do this!
Then, you will have to get through OE, which will most likely be a wam bam thank you mam experience. You will probably be signed off without having done a North Atlantic crossing. You will have no clue what you are doing, and a line Captain will have to teach you. When this happens, please be upfront and tell the CA that you have never done this before. Then, please be open minded and teachable.
The 747 is a big airplane, but it is still an airplane. It is not difficult to fly, but you must respect two laws! The law of wings level at touchdown and center line discipline. These two laws will keep you out of about 95% of the danger.
Most of you who have flown more advanced airplanes, like the E175, etc, will find the FMS antiquated. It will not do things that you take for granted. You will have to recage your mindset a bit. Hand fly the airplane every chance you get. Ask lots of questions. Study on your own.
You are now going to be flying on 6 different continents with only 24 hours notice, and your ATP is on the line too. You will be singing the flight plan as PIC while I am sleeping.
Get a noise cancelling headset!!!!! That especially goes for you old guys who have never flown internationally and can't understand what the Korean lady is saying. Read the notes before your flight. AMS is not playing around when they say "call sign only". Learn how to talk on the radio. Learn ICAO radio terminology.
You sound like an amateur or a Delta pilot when you say to Tokyo control "Giant forty five seventy five climbing 5.5 for 10." And it makes it much harder for the everyone else. You can get away with that in the States, and it doesn't bother me in that case, but this is unacceptable internationally.
You will find yourself slipping into a 3-4 hour sleep cycle on the road. This is the result of cumulative fatigue. It comes with the territory. Life at Atlas is feast or famine, and there is no typical pattern. Learn to get some exercise and clean up your nutrition as much as possible. Even walking will help a lot. You will have to find out what works for you by trial an error. Always and never don't apply in our situation.
Good luck and remember that fate is a hunter!
I can only speak about the 747, but much of this will apply to all air-frames. You are all pilots, and you know how to fly already. The problem is the amount of information and compressed training time at the school house. You will be drinking from a fire hose even though the training has certainly improved since my initial. Your first goal is to pass your type ride and oral. You MUST do this!
Then, you will have to get through OE, which will most likely be a wam bam thank you mam experience. You will probably be signed off without having done a North Atlantic crossing. You will have no clue what you are doing, and a line Captain will have to teach you. When this happens, please be upfront and tell the CA that you have never done this before. Then, please be open minded and teachable.
The 747 is a big airplane, but it is still an airplane. It is not difficult to fly, but you must respect two laws! The law of wings level at touchdown and center line discipline. These two laws will keep you out of about 95% of the danger.
Most of you who have flown more advanced airplanes, like the E175, etc, will find the FMS antiquated. It will not do things that you take for granted. You will have to recage your mindset a bit. Hand fly the airplane every chance you get. Ask lots of questions. Study on your own.
You are now going to be flying on 6 different continents with only 24 hours notice, and your ATP is on the line too. You will be singing the flight plan as PIC while I am sleeping.
Get a noise cancelling headset!!!!! That especially goes for you old guys who have never flown internationally and can't understand what the Korean lady is saying. Read the notes before your flight. AMS is not playing around when they say "call sign only". Learn how to talk on the radio. Learn ICAO radio terminology.
You sound like an amateur or a Delta pilot when you say to Tokyo control "Giant forty five seventy five climbing 5.5 for 10." And it makes it much harder for the everyone else. You can get away with that in the States, and it doesn't bother me in that case, but this is unacceptable internationally.
You will find yourself slipping into a 3-4 hour sleep cycle on the road. This is the result of cumulative fatigue. It comes with the territory. Life at Atlas is feast or famine, and there is no typical pattern. Learn to get some exercise and clean up your nutrition as much as possible. Even walking will help a lot. You will have to find out what works for you by trial an error. Always and never don't apply in our situation.
Good luck and remember that fate is a hunter!
04-16-2020, 10:27 AM
#1017
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Position: furloughed
Posts: 430
Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
To all of you who might find yourselves at this glorious outfit in the near future, I give you some free advice from a regular line CA.
I can only speak about the 747, but much of this will apply to all air-frames. You are all pilots, and you know how to fly already. The problem is the amount of information and compressed training time at the school house. You will be drinking from a fire hose even though the training has certainly improved since my initial. Your first goal is to pass your type ride and oral. You MUST do this!
Then, you will have to get through OE, which will most likely be a wam bam thank you mam experience. You will probably be signed off without having done a North Atlantic crossing. You will have no clue what you are doing, and a line Captain will have to teach you. When this happens, please be upfront and tell the CA that you have never done this before. Then, please be open minded and teachable.
The 747 is a big airplane, but it is still an airplane. It is not difficult to fly, but you must respect two laws! The law of wings level at touchdown and center line discipline. These two laws will keep you out of about 95% of the danger.
Most of you who have flown more advanced airplanes, like the E175, etc, will find the FMS antiquated. It will not do things that you take for granted. You will have to recage your mindset a bit. Hand fly the airplane every chance you get. Ask lots of questions. Study on your own.
You are now going to be flying on 6 different continents with only 24 hours notice, and your ATP is on the line too. You will be singing the flight plan as PIC while I am sleeping.
Get a noise cancelling headset!!!!! That especially goes for you old guys who have never flown internationally and can't understand what the Korean lady is saying. Read the notes before your flight. AMS is not playing around when they say "call sign only". Learn how to talk on the radio. Learn ICAO radio terminology.
You sound like an amateur or a Delta pilot when you say to Tokyo control "Giant forty five seventy five climbing 5.5 for 10." And it makes it much harder for the everyone else. You can get away with that in the States, and it doesn't bother me in that case, but this is unacceptable internationally.
You will find yourself slipping into a 3-4 hour sleep cycle on the road. This is the result of cumulative fatigue. It comes with the territory. Life at Atlas is feast or famine, and there is no typical pattern. Learn to get some exercise and clean up your nutrition as much as possible. Even walking will help a lot. You will have to find out what works for you by trial an error. Always and never don't apply in our situation.
Good luck and remember that fate is a hunter!
I can only speak about the 747, but much of this will apply to all air-frames. You are all pilots, and you know how to fly already. The problem is the amount of information and compressed training time at the school house. You will be drinking from a fire hose even though the training has certainly improved since my initial. Your first goal is to pass your type ride and oral. You MUST do this!
Then, you will have to get through OE, which will most likely be a wam bam thank you mam experience. You will probably be signed off without having done a North Atlantic crossing. You will have no clue what you are doing, and a line Captain will have to teach you. When this happens, please be upfront and tell the CA that you have never done this before. Then, please be open minded and teachable.
The 747 is a big airplane, but it is still an airplane. It is not difficult to fly, but you must respect two laws! The law of wings level at touchdown and center line discipline. These two laws will keep you out of about 95% of the danger.
Most of you who have flown more advanced airplanes, like the E175, etc, will find the FMS antiquated. It will not do things that you take for granted. You will have to recage your mindset a bit. Hand fly the airplane every chance you get. Ask lots of questions. Study on your own.
You are now going to be flying on 6 different continents with only 24 hours notice, and your ATP is on the line too. You will be singing the flight plan as PIC while I am sleeping.
Get a noise cancelling headset!!!!! That especially goes for you old guys who have never flown internationally and can't understand what the Korean lady is saying. Read the notes before your flight. AMS is not playing around when they say "call sign only". Learn how to talk on the radio. Learn ICAO radio terminology.
You sound like an amateur or a Delta pilot when you say to Tokyo control "Giant forty five seventy five climbing 5.5 for 10." And it makes it much harder for the everyone else. You can get away with that in the States, and it doesn't bother me in that case, but this is unacceptable internationally.
You will find yourself slipping into a 3-4 hour sleep cycle on the road. This is the result of cumulative fatigue. It comes with the territory. Life at Atlas is feast or famine, and there is no typical pattern. Learn to get some exercise and clean up your nutrition as much as possible. Even walking will help a lot. You will have to find out what works for you by trial an error. Always and never don't apply in our situation.
Good luck and remember that fate is a hunter!
04-16-2020, 10:47 AM
#1018
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 23
Originally Posted by Braniff DC8
Atlas Shrugged, just beautiful. Right to the point and all 100% correct. The problem though is, will anyone listen??? I've seen in my day "children of the magenta" that just don't want to listen. Ever have a guy playing candy crush or angry birds while trying to get the jumbo under way. How about, feet up, paper open and or texting while inflight. The younger generation don't care and have no discipline nor respect for the gradient in the cockpit. The truth is that there are plenty of guys/gals with experience. Miami Air for instance has a great group of very experienced people, but the pay and conditions are such that people just don't want to go. It's too hard for the pay etc... The people that do go will have lower experience and will most likely be a younger crowd that can handle those trips for a while. It's brutal, and now with the chaos, only worse.
Always brief, "If I say I have control, the answer is, YOU HAVE CONTROL"!
Always brief, "If I say I have control, the answer is, YOU HAVE CONTROL"!
Let’s blame the youngsters! Unfortunately we have quite of few old codgers at Atlas who are not nearly as good as they think. “Back on the classic” is our code phrase for these past their prime sky gods. Fortunately we also have a very sharp group of younger captains who have upgraded in the past 5 years and are great to fly with. Yes, there are a handful of lazy, unmotivated, entitled younger pilots here, but no more so than narcissistic, entitled, racist, sexist, Fox News loving, oldsters.
04-16-2020, 11:21 AM
#1019
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,349
Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry
Quick question, if you are home based/have a gateway city, how does outbasing work? Where would you do outbasing? Can you do an outbasing overseas some place?
04-16-2020, 11:28 AM
#1020
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,349
Originally Posted by gypsypilot
Let’s blame the youngsters! Unfortunately we have quite of few old codgers at Atlas who are not nearly as good as they think. “Back on the classic” is our code phrase for these past their prime sky gods. Fortunately we also have a very sharp group of younger captains who have upgraded in the past 5 years and are great to fly with. Yes, there are a handful of lazy, unmotivated, entitled younger pilots here, but no more so than narcissistic, entitled, racist, sexist, Fox News loving, oldsters.
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