Atlas / Southern
#1552
you are basically paying for your own type rating..you do understand that, right?
You are making a standard industry practice sound like this very bad thing AAWH is doing.
#1553
Yes, a standard practice called Pay for Training, some airlines charge you upfront and some charge you by making you work for it.
#1554
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Received this today...Thank you very much for your recent application to the 737 First Officer position at Southern Air. We have reviewed your application and we are sorry to inform you that you do not meet the minimum qualifications for this position. We invite you to continue to look for opportunities that meet your interests.
We wish you all the best in your career search.
Southern Air
My Quals
ATP/CFII/AGI
7,000TT
1,000 Turbine PIC
Types: A320/B757/B767/E170/E190/CL65
Former ACP at Regional
Former Chief LCA at Regional
Never Failed a Checkride
Just trying to figure out why I wouldn’t meet min quals?
We wish you all the best in your career search.
Southern Air
My Quals
ATP/CFII/AGI
7,000TT
1,000 Turbine PIC
Types: A320/B757/B767/E170/E190/CL65
Former ACP at Regional
Former Chief LCA at Regional
Never Failed a Checkride
Just trying to figure out why I wouldn’t meet min quals?
#1555
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
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"Normal" practice for an airline to screen candidates based on whatever they need. Since they are eating the costs of training the airline or charter company needs to be pretty selective of their candidate. There's real money riding on whether this person is going to make it through training. Of course other factors are at play, but since your chances of making it through training are tied to the airline's cash, your knowledge and skill count for something. The airline has an incentive to select aviators at least in part for their ability to aviate. Airlines make sure their investments are secure. The people around us are safer for this.
PFT has the candidate ante up a large amount of money. The airline has much less invested in whether you make it through training or not. Now those other factors become much more important. Not only do your looks, connections, etc. matter, but your ability to pay for this training also affects whether you will or won't be selected. In this model the airline has much less incentive to select based on ability since the cost of a pilot is low. The people around us are less safe due to this.
So when we look at Atlas' model we approached a PFT-like result without having people pay up front for training. Less money was tied up in our ability to aviate than our ability to fill seats. We fell into a similar trap, only instead of selecting for looks and connections, we selected for whoever would sit down, shut-up and not make trouble. While the airline was investing money in training, the cost of our pilots was low. That meant other incentives prevailed. Now people are dead.
#1556
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Position: B-58
Posts: 131
#2 2nd yr UPS FO pay is the same as 12th year atlas CA pay....let that sink in
#1559
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Position: B-58
Posts: 131
Like i explained before, you are better off just paying for the type out of pocket...it's the same math. If you had a job somewhere else just keep your job and buy the type...
#1560
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Is it weird that someone who interviewed 6 weeks after me is getting a class date 6 weeks ahead of me on the same type? Surprised it’s not first in first out. Still thankful for my class date and looking forward to it, but it would be nice to have it moved up sooner is all & just curious. Could it be qualifications?
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