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Old 05-05-2021, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Broccoli Rob View Post
I’ve been looking around the forum, but I’m still a little fuzzy on Atlas’s acquisition of Southern. Are they officially one company, or is Southern just a separate subsidiary? Meaning, if you get hired as an FO on the 73 are you later able to bid for an FO spot on the 74 after your seat lock is up, or do you have to upgrade on 73 first and then apply to Atlas separately?
Currently, Southern Air is a seperate airline that is owned by Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, the holding company that owns Atlas Air, Inc. which is for whom the Atlas pilots fly. We are (hopefully) in the final stages of a merger that has been going on for about 5 years now. Once the merger is complete, Southern Air will be merged into Atlas Air, Inc. and will cease to have its own AOC and pilot group. As someone else pointed out above, a lot of people are hopeful that this will be completed within the next few months, but unfortunately there isn't a solid timeline. It could theoretically take another year or two to wrap this all up.

So, once the merger is completed (whenever that may happen to be) then there will be one seniority list, and pilots will be able to bid whichever airframes that their seniority can hold (absent a seat lock). Until that time, Southern Air pilots can only bid/fly the 737/777, and Atlas Air pilots can only bid/fly the 767/747.
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Old 05-09-2021, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdsmash View Post
The 737 is arguably one of the more challenging aircraft in the fleet at Atlas/Southernto fly (767 being the other). Since the 737 is relegated to US Domestic right now it operates in a less challenging environment than the wide bodies. However, more than one 747/767/777 pilot will struggle if they transition or upgrade to the Guppie.
Lots of truth to this....we had a program for our PFE's to transition to a window seat. Very few made it through the DC9 program. After a while they figured it out they could get through the 767 training because of the automation and they did not have to actually fly much which they where not very good at.
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Old 10-19-2021, 04:36 PM
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Interested in the Atlas pathway, and I noticed that there hasn't been any posts here in a while. Any updates with the program? Anyone here actually go through it? Did Atlas and Southern ever actually merge their pilot groups? Are the Southern 73's still averaging 30 hours a month? What would any of you industry vets think about pursuing this program instead of doing time at a regional? Any info is appreciated!
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Old 10-19-2021, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SnarfSnarf View Post
Interested in the Atlas pathway, and I noticed that there hasn't been any posts here in a while. Any updates with the program? Anyone here actually go through it? Did Atlas and Southern ever actually merge their pilot groups? Are the Southern 73's still averaging 30 hours a month? What would any of you industry vets think about pursuing this program instead of doing time at a regional? Any info is appreciated!
I would go the regional route to be honest if you are just entering into the industry. You will gain hours much quicker which will position you for upgrading then hours in the left seat will come with the movement at the regionals. Don’t look towards Atlas if you are new to the industry because the movement here isn’t the as quick and the experience that you need to gain will not happen as quickly. As much as you may not want to go the regional route, go that route.

Once have experience such as 121 PIC at the regionals and you need some more boxes to check, then look towards Atlas to help you get over the hump.

But the Seniority list is merged and no the we are not merged until SOC is achieved in November.
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Old 10-19-2021, 11:13 PM
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What is your end game? Big3, Purple/Brown, ACMI. If ACMI jump right in, but always safer to have that 1000 PIC prior to entry if it doesn’t turn out to be the dream.

Not that it matters, but I believe Swakid8 has it right. Regionals will give you more options just entering the industry and you can join us for more resume appeal afterwards if you haven’t had any bites. There should be plenty of bites for the foreseeable future the way this industry is headed with mandates in place.
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Old 10-20-2021, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by C17B74 View Post
What is your end game? Big3, Purple/Brown, ACMI. If ACMI jump right in, but always safer to have that 1000 PIC prior to entry if it doesn’t turn out to be the dream.

Not that it matters, but I believe Swakid8 has it right. Regionals will give you more options just entering the industry and you can join us for more resume appeal afterwards if you haven’t had any bites. There should be plenty of bites for the foreseeable future the way this industry is headed with mandates in place.
Not really keen on the big 3. All great places to work, I'm sure. Pax flying just doesn't really tickle my fancy, ya know? I really like the idea of purple/brown and one of them is where I'd like to ultimately end up (Brown Specifically) but I wouldn't be upset if I had to kick around in ACMI in the mean time. Essentially, my priorities are international flying>>wide bodies>>fat paycheck in that order, so whatever gets me there the quickest. If it's the regionals, so be it. But I'm trying to keep an open mind to roads less travelled.
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Originally Posted by SnarfSnarf View Post
Not really keen on the big 3. All great places to work, I'm sure. Pax flying just doesn't really tickle my fancy, ya know? I really like the idea of purple/brown and one of them is where I'd like to ultimately end up (Brown Specifically) but I wouldn't be upset if I had to kick around in ACMI in the mean time. Essentially, my priorities are international flying>>wide bodies>>fat paycheck in that order, so whatever gets me there the quickest. If it's the regionals, so be it. But I'm trying to keep an open mind to roads less travelled.
Go to a regional, get the PIC time that UPS/FedEx would like to see (if you don’t currently have it), and then go to an ACMI company while you wait for the phone to ring. If they call, you will be competitive. If they don’t you will still be in a pretty good spot. I threw out a wide net and was seeking employment at the big 3 as well as UPS/FedEx. Ended up at a legacy. Meeting the experience requirements got me in the door, but the bulk of my interview was questions about long haul flying and a pilot going through my logbook asking where all of those places were. Can’t believe that they didn’t know the identifiers for Astana or Baku.
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Go to a regional, get the PIC time that UPS/FedEx would like to see (if you don’t currently have it), and then go to an ACMI company while you wait for the phone to ring. If they call, you will be competitive. If they don’t you will still be in a pretty good spot. I threw out a wide net and was seeking employment at the big 3 as well as UPS/FedEx. Ended up at a legacy. Meeting the experience requirements got me in the door, but the bulk of my interview was questions about long haul flying and a pilot going through my logbook asking where all of those places were. Can’t believe that they didn’t know the identifiers for Astana or Baku.
Is Southern 737 flying really so limited and upgrades so slow that I would be better off going to a regional JUST to get 121 PIC time, THEN going to Atlas? Honest question, not trying to be snarky.
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Originally Posted by SnarfSnarf View Post
Is Southern 737 flying really so limited and upgrades so slow that I would be better off going to a regional JUST to get 121 PIC time, THEN going to Atlas? Honest question, not trying to be snarky.
If you don't have any jet time, it'll be probably close to 5 years until you can upgrade here. PIC quals are 2500 TT in >41k MTOW plus 1000 PIC >41k MTOW -or- 1500 SIC >41k MTOW plus 500 SIC at the company. I guess you could always try to swap to the 747/777 to pad the SIC stats after your seat lock is up since you'll only be doing ~300/year flying the 737.

737 upgrade times are low now but after SOC, who knows. 2-3 years maybe, but again you'd have to wait until you hit those other milestone. By then you could probably hold captain on any fleet at the current times.

Regional route you could probably hit 1000 PIC within 3.5 years if you tried. Then at that point you could hop on as a 747/777 FO and see the world one hotel/bunk at a time with your 1000 TPIC in hand. Hard to predict what Atlas will look like in 4 years if you waited though.
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Old 10-20-2021, 04:27 PM
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73 guy here. Previous comments are spot on. Flying is "back", and average line is around 40ish hours, but 300/year for math purposes is the way to go. I've flown 300h in 1.5 years, just as an example.
If you really, REALLY, want to do ACMI for the rest of your career, then apply. If brown/purple is the final goal, then again the previous comments are 100% right and regional is the way to go.
You can get hired at fedex with no heavy time but enough tpic, plenty of regional guys getting hired. But SIC heavy time and no TPIC won't get you hired in my opinion.
I got hired at 1500h, covid BS, my regional giving me the middle finger, etc....so for my it worked GREAT.
But if you have options, it all depends on your ultimate goal.
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