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Old 09-11-2021, 08:14 PM
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So which fleet type would be best for someone who like their time at home? Don’t mind knowing I’ll be away but would rather something closer to 7/7 than 20 days on the road or reserve.
737 might be the best, but that's for someone at Southern to answer.

You can get split lines on the 767 as a pretty junior FO. Those run 10 on, 6 off, 7 on, 7 off, or close to it.

Also, where's home? Where you live plays a role in what fleet you may want to go after. ONT 767 works well for west coast folk.
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Old 09-12-2021, 01:13 AM
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Southwest on the 737 ain't too bad either.
Interesting thought as I showed a SWA friend the new 737 numbers and said their close to his outfit. No way as I gleamed APC numbers. He then sent me direct from their website actual numbers. Something is amiss as they were lower than reported here. Granted they have soft pay and he said the pay on their home site is slightly higher than shown based on pay per trip vs pay per hour flown and rigs. (1 hr = 1.15 trips). But the rates were as follows: 12 yr Capt $245.64 2020 / 12 yr FO $171.95 2020 pay rates. Hmmmm.
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Old 09-12-2021, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Elevation View Post
737 might be the best, but that's for someone at Southern to answer.

You can get split lines on the 767 as a pretty junior FO. Those run 10 on, 6 off, 7 on, 7 off, or close to it.

Also, where's home? Where you live plays a role in what fleet you may want to go after. ONT 767 works well for west coast folk.
South Florida. I’ve been wondering that also.
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Old 09-12-2021, 05:26 PM
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What are the seat lock rules? If I take a spot on the 74 and want to transition to the 76 or vice versa, what’s the process?


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Old 09-13-2021, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FlamingoProp View Post
South Florida. I’ve been wondering that also.
Tampa Reserve on rhe 767 is nice, but lines change all the time. We usually have MIA flying on the 767 as well. Same mention of lines changing. MIA is super senior for the 747.

I don't know about 737 stuff.

Expect lots of American miles as you fly to work.
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Old 09-13-2021, 03:34 PM
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What are the seat lock rules? If I take a spot on the 74 and want to transition to the 76 or vice versa, what’s the process?


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18 month seat lock for new hires. If you bid up in pay rate, 18 month seat lock on new equipment. Lateral pay rate bids(we don’t have any 2 fleets the same pay rate so this is not applicable at this time) incur 24 month seat lock. If you bid down in pay, 36 month seat lock.

Seat locks do not apply when bidding for your first Captain position with the company. If you spend 18 months in the 747, then go to the 767(“downgrade”) you would have a 36 month seat lock…but if you could hold Captain, in any fleet, in, say, 18 months…you would be awarded that bid.
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18 month seat lock for new hires. If you bid up in pay rate, 18 month seat lock on new equipment. Lateral pay rate bids(we don’t have any 2 fleets the same pay rate so this is not applicable at this time) incur 24 month seat lock. If you bid down in pay, 36 month seat lock.

Seat locks do not apply when bidding for your first Captain position with the company. If you spend 18 months in the 747, then go to the 767(“downgrade”) you would have a 36 month seat lock…but if you could hold Captain, in any fleet, in, say, 18 months…you would be awarded that bid.
New hires is 24 months, isn't it?
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Old 09-13-2021, 04:15 PM
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New hires is 24 months, isn't it?
I’m pretty sure it’s 18 months for new hires…but I just looked through my PDF’s and I can’t find the one that shows details about what was already agreed upon. Section 24, Filling of Vacancies, is what addresses seat locks. 24.K I believe. That section was TA’d several years ago.

I could be wrong, though…it wouldn’t be the first time…not even the first time today. I’ll see if I can dig up the TA’d sections info.
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Old 09-13-2021, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by IFlyHeavies View Post
What are the seat lock rules? If I take a spot on the 74 and want to transition to the 76 or vice versa, what’s the process?


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Ignore my previous about seat locks. I tried to edit it but the edit timer ran out while I was doing so and now it can’t be edited.

CRJJ called me out on some of my numbers, so I had to dig up the documents and pull the correct numbers. I pulled them from memory on my first post…I’m not sure if they have changed in the past couple years since I remember hearing that from a negotiator or if I’m remembering incorrectly.

24 month seat lock for new hires.

18 month seat lock for bids that are on higher paying equipment.

30 month seat lock for bids on same paying or lower paying equipment.

Upgrade from FO to Captain voids all seat locks and can be done anytime, to/from any aircraft.

Sorry about the initial misinformation.
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Originally Posted by HPIC View Post
I’m pretty sure it’s 18 months for new hires…but I just looked through my PDF’s and I can’t find the one that shows details about what was already agreed upon. Section 24, Filling of Vacancies, is what addresses seat locks. 24.K I believe. That section was TA’d several years ago.

I could be wrong, though…it wouldn’t be the first time…not even the first time today. I’ll see if I can dig up the TA’d sections info.
The way I read it is, probationary crew members 24 months on initial position, and once you don't have a seatlock anymore, if you bid another fleet, it'd be 18 months. But we'll find out soon. Hopefully it's 18 and I'm wrong, that way I'll be able to bid other fleets in a couple of months
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