What will the new CBA look like?
09-04-2021, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Says the individual who by their own admission didn’t get hired at Emirates or FedEx or Alaska……probably didn’t pass the phone interview at Atlas.
09-04-2021, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
As someone who bombed my AA interview, it's really tough when you put it all on the line and don't make the cut. I feel really bad for him if that's true and it sure makes you look bad for rubbing that in his face. Good on them for trying and here's to them getting hired at Delta or UPS.
09-04-2021, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
Did you read the post where he dropped by to say most Atlas pilots are “unhireable elsewhere”?
09-04-2021, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by C17B74
Yup as I and many have said months ago. Both parties unhappy is where it most likely will end up and that is a fair assessment. I use fair loosely of course. Better is better as Best it will never be. More curious to the losses incurred to gain in other areas, especially regarding seniority benefits despite what little we have. It will be interesting if anything was horse traded for many vs the few which always depends on where you sit… it will be very obvious. Maybe next time we can get something rolling within a 5 year measure or whatever plan vs kicking the can down the road endlessly. (And I do mean our personal cans down the road).
It's all in the lap of a single person.
How a billion+ dollar corporation abdicates the most critical parts of an agreement with their largest employee group boggles the mind.
09-04-2021, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by zerozero
Just to be clear, the trading phases (negotiations) are done. There are no longer two parties reaching any agreements about what stays and what goes.
It's all in the lap of a single person.
How a billion+ dollar corporation abdicates the most critical parts of an agreement with their largest employee group boggles the mind.
It's all in the lap of a single person.
How a billion+ dollar corporation abdicates the most critical parts of an agreement with their largest employee group boggles the mind.
09-04-2021, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
As someone who bombed my AA interview, it's really tough when you put it all on the line and don't make the cut. I feel really bad for him if that's true and it sure makes you look bad for rubbing that in his face. Good on them for trying and here's to them getting hired at Delta or UPS.
Don’t throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Like calling Atlas pilots undesirable.
Every UPS class has Atlas pilots lol.
09-04-2021, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Setspeed
Yep- nothing being traded away, but I’ve always wondered how the TA’d sections, which were all very solid as far as industry leading or standard, would affect other parts of our arbitrated contract based on the dollar cost of the TA’d sections. Guess I’ll find out next week.
09-04-2021, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by zerozero
And I'm certainly not speaking for the arbitrator, but he's been assigned an enormous job in a short period of time. I would be very surprised if any of the TA'd sections even enter into his calculus. The company and the union made their proposals based on the remaining open sections. Actually to be technically correct we should be referring to them as "articles" now.
09-04-2021, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
If you read the final briefs, they don't really address any of the articles that have been agreed to. The arbitrator can't touch them because neither party has presented their position about them. That would be totally unprecedented move from the arbitrator and it would just make him work harder, so why would he.
09-04-2021, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Setspeed
But he may take into account the entire cost model, no? So with all the benefits given in other areas prior to arbitration, they’ve already taken up their piece of the pie, so to speak. My first time through an arbitrated contract so it’s all new to me.
Only the items that were not agreed on were presented to him, so he should not really have any jurisdiction over items outside the scope of the arbitration.
I would be extremely surprised if he touches any of the already agreed parts.
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