Atlas vs Netjets
11-24-2021, 12:27 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by jrmyl
I have done both. I was at NJA back in 08-10 when I was part of the furlough. I am now at Atlas after spending 10 years over seas.
In my view, the biggest difference is the schedules. Atlas schedules allow for more time on overnights, but you fly really long flights if you are on the 777/747. NJA, shorter flights but from what I hear now, the overnights are minimum rest for most of the time.
Upgrades. If I was at NJA I would still be an FO with over 13 years of service. At Atlas, I am looking at around 5 years for upgrade if I stay here.
Work day. At NJA you work your butt off to get the plane ready to go. Stocking the catering, ice, papers, cleaning, etc. etc. Atlas, show up, preflight and get ready to go.
Company. Both have had a tenacious labor/management relationship. I feel that NJA is probably in a better spot now than Atlas. However, I"m not there so can't be for sure on NJA. The office people I have interacted with at Atlas have all been really nice. I didn't have that feeling at NJA when I was there.
Airplanes. Atlas has some old planes, and they break. Sometimes a lot. At NJA you would have a broken plane but it would normally get fixed quicker.
Clients. Never had any problems with any owners at NJA. All were nice and cordial. But at Atlas, 99% of your flying is boxes. Boxes don't complain and don't care about turbulence.
Pay. First year at Atlas is now 64 hour guarantee at $117/hr. Not too bad. NJA is around 60-80,000 depending on what schedule you are on.
As far as where you should go, that is something that only you can decide. Me personally, I'm glad I'm not at NJA any longer. I like flying Boeings and boxes.
In my view, the biggest difference is the schedules. Atlas schedules allow for more time on overnights, but you fly really long flights if you are on the 777/747. NJA, shorter flights but from what I hear now, the overnights are minimum rest for most of the time.
Upgrades. If I was at NJA I would still be an FO with over 13 years of service. At Atlas, I am looking at around 5 years for upgrade if I stay here.
Work day. At NJA you work your butt off to get the plane ready to go. Stocking the catering, ice, papers, cleaning, etc. etc. Atlas, show up, preflight and get ready to go.
Company. Both have had a tenacious labor/management relationship. I feel that NJA is probably in a better spot now than Atlas. However, I"m not there so can't be for sure on NJA. The office people I have interacted with at Atlas have all been really nice. I didn't have that feeling at NJA when I was there.
Airplanes. Atlas has some old planes, and they break. Sometimes a lot. At NJA you would have a broken plane but it would normally get fixed quicker.
Clients. Never had any problems with any owners at NJA. All were nice and cordial. But at Atlas, 99% of your flying is boxes. Boxes don't complain and don't care about turbulence.
Pay. First year at Atlas is now 64 hour guarantee at $117/hr. Not too bad. NJA is around 60-80,000 depending on what schedule you are on.
As far as where you should go, that is something that only you can decide. Me personally, I'm glad I'm not at NJA any longer. I like flying Boeings and boxes.
Tenaciously contentious. Good review though.
11-24-2021, 06:04 PM
#22
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: No Hats No Jackets No PAX
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Always good to hear from actual experiences especially when comparisons are being made. Objective/Subjective, either way you should be able to pick up the highlights or at least specifics that may pertain to an individual’s priorities or bring about new perspectives. For example, I wouldn’t say it’s cake here, but I do like pie.
11-25-2021, 01:53 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: Paahlot
Posts: 4,082
You’ll need to excuse my earlier post.
Didn’t fly for NJ abut I have flown 135 for a different jet operator.
Two weeks on two weeks off, lower 48 no International trips.
Dorks and Diva’s. Some drama, not much.
Generally two flights a day, one revenue one reposition. Mostly gentleman’s hours with few night trips per rotation.
ACMI - time of day doesn’t matter, neither does the date or even what month it is.
24/7/365 operation Worldwide.
Schedule mostly 17-13
Weird and wonderful food in weird and wonderful places. Practice cultural sensitivity and try not to be the American bull in the China shop. Pun intended.
Learn to sleep anywhere, seats, bunks, beds, floors.
There’s a certain romance in being over the Pacific at night a 1000 miles from anywhere.
It’s not for everyone.
It’s amazing……
Didn’t fly for NJ abut I have flown 135 for a different jet operator.
Two weeks on two weeks off, lower 48 no International trips.
Dorks and Diva’s. Some drama, not much.
Generally two flights a day, one revenue one reposition. Mostly gentleman’s hours with few night trips per rotation.
ACMI - time of day doesn’t matter, neither does the date or even what month it is.
24/7/365 operation Worldwide.
Schedule mostly 17-13
Weird and wonderful food in weird and wonderful places. Practice cultural sensitivity and try not to be the American bull in the China shop. Pun intended.
Learn to sleep anywhere, seats, bunks, beds, floors.
There’s a certain romance in being over the Pacific at night a 1000 miles from anywhere.
It’s not for everyone.
It’s amazing……
11-25-2021, 03:29 PM
#24
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2021
Posts: 45
Originally Posted by dera
Here is a single data point. Apply all the usual caveats if you want.
My first line award as a brand new 747 FO was a 10 on-13 off-8 on-8 off-14 on-6 off 60 day schedule. First month guarantee is a bit over 100 hours, second month 145 hours of credit.
These 60 day lines seem to go junior, at least in ANC 747. This cadence in trips is perfect for me, and 145 hours credit is nice.
During the 10 on and 14 on I should have a chance to go home for a day or two if I want. There is also a chance things change so I'm not counting on it. Consider it an additional bonus if it happens. The augmented rest rules means every time you touch your base, you usually get a couple of days off.
My first line award as a brand new 747 FO was a 10 on-13 off-8 on-8 off-14 on-6 off 60 day schedule. First month guarantee is a bit over 100 hours, second month 145 hours of credit.
These 60 day lines seem to go junior, at least in ANC 747. This cadence in trips is perfect for me, and 145 hours credit is nice.
During the 10 on and 14 on I should have a chance to go home for a day or two if I want. There is also a chance things change so I'm not counting on it. Consider it an additional bonus if it happens. The augmented rest rules means every time you touch your base, you usually get a couple of days off.
11-25-2021, 04:02 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 2,426
Originally Posted by Eagle83B
If this common for a new FO? Also, how many hours of actual flying did you do in those 60days?
I can’t speak for the 76 and 73 fleets. Reserve tend to go senior on the 76 from what I heard with folks living in base, but a 76 guy can chime in.
11-25-2021, 06:44 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Oct 2021
Posts: 45
Originally Posted by Swakid8
This common for new wide body FOs on the 74 and 77, not much reserve to be had on those fleets. I’ve been flying about 60-80 hours per month on average.
I can’t speak for the 76 and 73 fleets. Reserve tend to go senior on the 76 from what I heard with folks living in base, but a 76 guy can chime in.
I can’t speak for the 76 and 73 fleets. Reserve tend to go senior on the 76 from what I heard with folks living in base, but a 76 guy can chime in.
11-25-2021, 10:04 PM
#27
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,459
Originally Posted by Eagle83B
If this common for a new FO? Also, how many hours of actual flying did you do in those 60days?
11-26-2021, 11:47 AM
#29
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2021
Posts: 45
Originally Posted by dera
It is just my awarded schedule, no way to tell how much of it I will actually fly. I just know my pay is guaranteed to at least that value. Actual block? Between 0 and FAR limits.
11-26-2021, 11:57 AM
#30
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 2,426
Originally Posted by Eagle83B
Well, cant fight that. A pay guarantee of 245 hours for a 60 day stretch seems pretty decent in my view.
My self had about 50 plus hours Article 33 flying in October that go dropped down to 30 something hours due to a schedule changed. Still not bad depending on the credit value of your awarded line.
I will be enjoying mi Fixed Pattern Line next year.
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