zerozero

This is a common misunderstanding. I'm not on ProStan but I have first hand knowledge this is not what the committee is focused on. Nor should it be.

From their own "mission statement":

https://wp.iap2750.org/committees/pr...nal-standards/

They are there to help our crews enforce the "standards" of the FOM and FCOM. And that's pretty much it. They are really not there to referee interpersonal issues like a marriage counselor. As adults and PROFESSIONALS you should be able to handle your own personal problems, and they'll basically tell you that if you approach them with a personal issue.

But if you have a problem with how someone is handling their JOB, then ProStans is there for you. I know about 75% of them personally and you couldn't ask for better volunteers on this committee.

Elevation

The new hires I fly with are fine in both attitude and capability. The way we're talking about our new pilots here certainly would turn them into enemies, however. Can you blame them? We're talking about section 19s and describing some parties as simply people with hurt feelings. Are those people now supposed to trust us to handle their issues without bias?

None of this inspires confidence. Instead let's take a look at pro standards, beef up and expand their purview. This is our failure to perform and adapt. The fact that people aren't using union resources speaks to our failures as much as theirs.

How bout we all knock it off, get our stuff together then address this through some official improvements?

Elevation

Agree. That's why I'd like to see them get access to sims. Pro Stands has skipped job stuff to focus on interpersonal conflict as recently as 2020, however.

CRJJ

I'm curious about this as well. What type of guidance is being ignored?

I've always had something embroidered in my brain, since I'm a kid. Listen to those who have 'been there and have done that', so that you can learn from those errors and mistakes. When it comes to this job, there are so many little details and things that could happen, that having a 'seasoned' pilot by your side can be priceless.
And this is how I approach every flight, I listen, observe and ask when needed.

With that being said. There is a ton of psychology involved in the cockpit, making it in my opinion the hardest part of the job. Some seasoned pilots, or I should say the vast majority, are also humble and patient, which makes this job awesome. But there are also grumpy frustrated smartasses out there, that can make you hate your job that day.

And the longest flight on my fleet is like 4.5h, so I can only imagine sharing a 15h flight with one of those haha. But the augmented crew must ease the tension a little bit? just a guess.

Can someone be more specific about those issues and article 19? So far it's a bit abstract. Arguments about Politics!?

Elevation

Maybe let's skip details? If people are getting section 19ed we owe them a little privacy.

dera

This would be funny if it wasn't true. Some seasoned pilots consider V/S an immediate self destruction button.

Swakid8

‘Love it mane! I’ve never seen such a pilot group who fears the use of V/S….

But the protections….

Simple, don’t be a be a stupid dick that makes the company send out reminder emails of how to conduct yourself abroad…..

CRJJ

OK, now I can understand a bit more. So it's not on board issues but abroad behaviors

One LCA shared a story about a new hire getting drunk during training and pooping in the elevator. No bueno

dera

Don't judge, when ya gotta go, ya gotta go!

NightIP

Uh, I'm sorry, I'm not even sure you work here if that's what you think happened. Or if you do actually work here, you have some sort of agenda. Either way, you're not being truthful.