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Old 10-22-2021, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by av8tordude View Post
On the CRT, why only 15 days? Are you not suppose to work 17 days? Thx
If you start the trip in the middle of day one you’ll get about 2.4 hours rig for that day. If you finish the middle of day 17 you’ll also only get about 2.4 for that day. I wouldn’t plan on more than 16 days of rig at most.
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Old 10-23-2021, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp View Post
If you start the trip in the middle of day one you’ll get about 2.4 hours rig for that day. If you finish the middle of day 17 you’ll also only get about 2.4 for that day. I wouldn’t plan on more than 16 days of rig at most.
100% correct the company has you for 17 days but in most if not all cases you will only be paid for 16…

It gets worse, your first and last days are pro-rated…you lose money because you will not be at home but in between trips.

The company has the right to position you into base up to 24 hours in advance without ANY (rig, per diem, DH etc) “compensation”, so in effect you can say 18 days, paid for 16 when using gateway to base.

The formula is simple for pay calculations, actual TAFB (Time away from Base) divided by 4.95 (rig is 1:4.95) which I believe is still the lowest in the industry.

The company uses AIMS so the actual start time away from base is actually an arbitrary number, and often not reflective of the time you departed for a trip when not departing from your base, this always leans in their favor not yours.

Also, the deadhead pay, block pay aren’t worth the paper they’re written on because of the rig rules and scheduling practices you will almost never exceed “block” or accumulate enough deadhead to exceed the substandard rig rate, so you are effectively on salary for 17 to 18 days, but paid for 16.

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Old 10-23-2021, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by itsjustajob View Post
100% correct the company has you for 17 days but in most if not all cases you will only be paid for 16…


Also, the deadhead pay, block pay aren’t worth the paper they’re written on because of the rig rules and scheduling practices you will almost never exceed “block” or accumulate enough deadhead to exceed the substandard rig rate, so you are effectively on salary for 17 to 18 days, but paid for 16.
This obviously changed with the new contract. Get awarded a 80 hour line, get paid 80 hrs. (After conflicts resolved but thats the norm everywhere).
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Old 10-23-2021, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
This obviously changed with the new contract. Get awarded a 80 hour line, get paid 80 hrs. (After conflicts resolved but thats the norm everywhere).
True for PRIMARY lines. Bid line pay protection does not include SECONDARY, or RESERVE lines
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Old 10-23-2021, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 View Post
https://geckoaviation.com/atlas-air-...4AsQ-_HAbFN6AM

So Atlas is the new SkyWest? Soon to be filled with Aussies who will do anything the company says so they don’t lose their visa?
I'm skeptical about coming to Atlas for this reason. I'd rather stay put at my regional while I wait 4 more years for the AA flow. With Atlas having a lot of intl flying, it's pretty easy for them to outsource their flying like Norwegian Long Haul.
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Old 10-23-2021, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by oaks5 View Post
I'm skeptical about coming to Atlas for this reason. I'd rather stay put at my regional while I wait 4 more years for the AA flow. With Atlas having a lot of intl flying, it's pretty easy for them to outsource their flying like Norwegian Long Haul.
Maybe in 4 years AA will be in a better financial position then they are now…or, more likely….
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Old 10-23-2021, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by oaks5 View Post
I'm skeptical about coming to Atlas for this reason. I'd rather stay put at my regional while I wait 4 more years for the AA flow. With Atlas having a lot of intl flying, it's pretty easy for them to outsource their flying like Norwegian Long Haul.
Outsource flying? They have already done it. Probably still are doing it.

Have they gone off shore for crews before? Yes. Could they do it again? Yes.
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Old 10-23-2021, 03:59 PM
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Outsource flying? They have already done it. Probably still are doing it.

Have they gone off shore for crews before? Yes. Could they do it again? Yes.
When/where did AAWW outsource their flying? I just thought it was a possibility. Didn't know it's been done before.
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Old 10-23-2021, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by oaks5 View Post
When/where did AAWW outsource their flying? I just thought it was a possibility. Didn't know it's been done before.
Here's an excerpt of a Chairman's Update (Nov 19, 2018):

Fellow Atlas Crew Members,

I am happy to announce to you that today the union received the arbitrator’s decision (award) on grievance 2017-030. Grievance 2017-030 deals with the company’s illegal subcontracting of passenger flying. I am happy to report to you that the arbitrator ruled in favor of the union and, as the union had requested, ordered that the company immediately cease and desist from engaging in such illegal activity. We are heartened that the arbitrator upheld the grievance in its entirety and that he fully agreed with the union’s remedy to correct this career threatening violation of our CBA. This award marks another landmark day and the union’s second consecutive CBA arbitration win in the fight against Atlas management. This might explain why the company continues to stall and delay on many other union grievances and arbitrations currently on the calendar.

This award means that going forward the company may not under any circumstance subcontract any passenger flying. If they want to do passenger subcontracting, management must do one thing that this management group has shown no willingness to do – that is to negotiate. In the meantime, protecting customers will require the company to have a spare aircraft available.

Let’s review a brief history of this grievance, which dates back to a filing on May 15, 2017. In 2010 the company had tried to insert subcontracted flying in the current CBA, but because it argued for an amalgamated Atlas/Polar CBA, that provision was denied when the arbitrator issued his interest arbitration award in 2011. You see, neither the Atlas CBA nor the Polar CBA contained provisions for passenger flying. Thus, partially by its own underhanded scheme to amalgamate, the company was thwarted from achieving a passenger flying provision. After the current CBA went into effect, Atlas then intentionally subcontracted passenger flying in defiance of our CBA. Then, just like it did in the strike language case (CBA Section 26.X), management tried to get through arbitration what is was unable to get in negotiations or even in the arbitrator-imposed Section 1 of the current CBA. The result was the same in both arbitrations, a loss for the company. The arbitrator slammed the door in the face of this underhanded and illegal attempt to rewrite our CBA and steal a provision that the company could not obtain even through the interest arbitration that it so badly wanted. It is both a sad and pitiful conclusion that the company likely spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to dupe an arbitrator into giving it something that it had not secured through negotiations or even interest arbitration. That money could have been better spent in almost any other way than simply lining the company’s high priced lawyers’ pockets. In fact, it could have partially paid for a new CBA with one of its most important resources – the pilots.
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Old 10-29-2021, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by oaks5 View Post
When/where did AAWW outsource their flying? I just thought it was a possibility. Didn't know it's been done before.
Kalitta is currently flying a large chunk of Atlas/Polar flying. The overflow of Polar/Atlas Cargo has Kalitta flying on many of the the legacy and new GTI slots out of asia.

This currently does not infringe on the sub-service limitations due to the Covid/IATA exemptions currently in place. Kalitta can perform the flying under non-scheduled non-routine operations with the existing IATA exemption and without utilizing the Polar/Atlas Slot/route authority.

Once that exemption ceases, the limitations of the Polar/Atlas scope again comes into play and Kalitta and other sub-service carrier will have to cease those flights.

Atlas uses AeroLogic and a few other carriers although not as frequently.

It's more complicated than that, but you get the gist of whats going on.
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