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TiredSoul 04-16-2020 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by 742Dash (Post 3033302)
Atlas suffers the common problem in that certain pilots want other pilots to fall on their swords. Some pilots who never outbase are vocal that no one should outbase. Some pilots who do not work in the training center think that no one should work in the training center. Some pilots who never volunteer to work on days off think that no one should volunteer to work on days off. Some pilots who don't want to leave for another job and start over think that other pilots should leave for another job and start over.

In short, everyone else should sacrifice in order to pressure management. And they are very vocal about it.

Of course that is not unionism.

AAWW has problems, and a lot of them. But discussions on the Internet have come to be dominated by a handful of permanently angry individuals, some of whom do not even work here. I have been through this process a few times before, and I firmly believe that they do us more damage than the management sycophants.

Gather facts, but be wary of those that are packaged in anger. Then make your own decisions.

Good post, thank you.

ObadiahDogberry 04-16-2020 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by Elevation (Post 3033615)
You have the best name in the world!

The big question is do you know the significance? I will be impressed if you do without using Google.

Air Stang 7 04-16-2020 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry (Post 3033667)
The big question is do you know the significance? I will be impressed if you do without using Google.

I would like to take some time to talk to you about Jesus.

av8n 04-16-2020 02:57 PM

Had to look it up
 

Originally Posted by Air Stang 7 (Post 3033719)
I would like to take some time to talk to you about Jesus.


Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry (Post 3033667)
The big question is do you know the significance? I will be impressed if you do without using Google.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Cole

Elevation 04-16-2020 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry (Post 3033667)
The big question is do you know the significance? I will be impressed if you do without using Google.

I had to Google it. Kind of an interesting tidbit of history.

CRJJ 04-17-2020 09:33 AM

For those that moved to the CVG area, where do you guys live? Tons of options in Cincinnati, but not sure if that would mess with taxes, being a different state. Covington looks like a decent place too. I would imagine Louisville/Lexington are good options. Maybe Indianapolis?

Too much free time here, doing some research just in case :D

Fillmore Slim 04-17-2020 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by 742Dash (Post 3033302)
Atlas suffers the common problem in that certain pilots want other pilots to fall on their swords. Some pilots who never outbase are vocal that no one should outbase. Some pilots who do not work in the training center think that no one should work in the training center. Some pilots who never volunteer to work on days off think that no one should volunteer to work on days off. Some pilots who don't want to leave for another job and start over think that other pilots should leave for another job and start over.

In short, everyone else should sacrifice in order to pressure management. And they are very vocal about it.

Of course that is not unionism.

AAWW has problems, and a lot of them. But discussions on the Internet have come to be dominated by a handful of permanently angry individuals, some of whom do not even work here. I have been through this process a few times before, and I firmly believe that they do us more damage than the management sycophants.

Gather facts, but be wary of those that are packaged in anger. Then make your own decisions.

Have got to respectfully disagree with you. Your profile states that you're a retired 747 pilot that's now delivering packages for Amazon. I'm not going to pretend to understand anyone's personal finances, but would you agree that after retiring from an airline one should not need to deliver Amazon packages? Through all my years here I've met numerous pilots who've had 2nd jobs because they couldn't afford to live on just an Atlas paycheck, much less their paltry retirement. These are 747 Captains that drive buses (seriously), drive for Uber / lyft or numerous other "side hustles." ****! Right now Atlas is capitalizing on $10 / KG freight prices and bargain basement fuel costs. Every 747 landing RIGHT NOW is netting the company approx $1,000,000 in net profits. The union is the only shot we have at retiring with a nest egg large enough to honestly retire. I have friends that have retired from all the majors................not one of them has had to take another job after retirement. Atlas prey's on pilots and their good nature and intentions. UPS and FEDEX pilots have figured it out. All they had to do was collectively look in the mirror. Buyer beware.

RemiDenton 04-17-2020 05:45 PM

Just trying to get a feel for the message boards here at AAWW. Why are you taking a shot across the bow of this dude?

The facts are interesting to say the least. It’s not a secret Atlas doesn’t have the best love you rates. Any ACMI carrier has to play the nickel and dime game don’t they? The business model for ACMI doesn’t afford to substantially compete with FDX or UPS. Which explains to me why they’re a constant stepping stone.

Regardless, it amazes me how much negativity is on this message board. Just an observation from an outsider...(for now)


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APCbot 04-17-2020 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by RemiDenton (Post 3034762)
Just trying to get a feel for the message boards here at AAWW. Why are you taking a shot across the bow of this dude?

The facts are interesting to say the least. It’s not a secret Atlas doesn’t have the best love you rates. Any ACMI carrier has to play the nickel and dime game don’t they? The business model for ACMI doesn’t afford to substantially compete with FDX or UPS. Which explains to me why they’re a constant stepping stone.

Regardless, it amazes me how much negativity is on this message board. Just an observation from an outsider...(for now)


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Maybe so, but then how can Connie afford to pay so much more than Atlas?

akfrtdwg 57 04-17-2020 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by RemiDenton (Post 3034762)

The facts are interesting to say the least. It’s not a secret Atlas doesn’t have the best love you rates. Any ACMI carrier has to play the nickel and dime game don’t they? The business model for ACMI doesn’t afford to substantially compete with FDX or UPS. Which explains to me why they’re a constant stepping stone.

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You’re actually incorrect. Just because a company is ACMI doesn’t mean sufficient revenue isn’t generated to pay their Flight Crews on par with UPS or FDX. But we are consistently paid less because people come here with a couple mindsets. They are ‘You’re only an ACMI pilot and not on par with Brown or Purple.’ And ‘I’m only here til someone better calls me so I have no real skin in the game.’ Both of which are insulting to the people that are here for the long hall. One, they just look down on ACMI pilots and two they are selfish enough just to come here and not bother to help try and make it better.

The ugly truth is, these companies can afford to pay mainline rates. If management couldn’t they wouldn’t be setting themselves up for major bonuses every time your turned around. They wouldn’t be paying themselves on par with mainline counterparts. Why is it they think they deserve equal pay but we don’t? Don’t fall into that ‘It’s only ACMI’ trap if you end up getting skin in the game.


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