Originally Posted by HeloGuy
(Post 3035105)
I have read through this thread, but my head is spinning as there is a lot of information. Does the below look accurate? Would you add anything significant to consider when choosing what to ask for?
767: 13 days off, 17 day trips, Often split trips, Oldest aircraft, Mixed Dom/Int'l routes, No crew bunks, 3 yr upgrade 777: 13 days off, 17 day trips, Rarely split trips, Newest aircraft, Mostly Int'l routes, ?? crew bunks, 4 yr upgrade 747: 13 days off, 17 day trips, some split trips, mid-aged aircraft, Mostly Int'l routes, has crew bunks, 4 yr upgrade Also, it appears that although the 747 has the higher pay rates the 777 has higher credit for overall higher pay? Thanks! There is a little growth on the 737/777 side driving upgrade times down. However, once there is a merged seniority list there will be well over a thousand FOs ahead of you. Other than a handful of retirements, attrition has dried up. |
Originally Posted by Turbine1
(Post 3034894)
Meanwhile Atlas makes 1 mil a 74 flight and refuses even a 1% across the board pilot raise for this more hazardous flying in the era of COVID-19.
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Seams simple to me. Managements attitude is that they can do what they want, and the pilots still do the flying.
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Originally Posted by akfrtdwg 57
(Post 3035031)
I would argue that if you expect people to accept inherent risk they need to be compensated for it. So we should be paid more than the other guys to offset said risk.
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Originally Posted by akfrtdwg 57
(Post 3035031)
I would argue that if you expect people to accept inherent risk they need to be compensated for it. So we should be paid more than the other guys to offset said risk.
The pilots here can go anywhere at anytime. They are exceptional aviators and should be compensated accordingly. |
Originally Posted by Birdsmash
(Post 3035111)
i would not base any decisions on the “current” upgrade times. The airline is not growing overall, nor will it probably in the near future due to the economic fallout of the pandemic. Near term things are busy. Will it stay that way? Doubt it.
There is a little growth on the 737/777 side driving upgrade times down. However, once there is a merged seniority list there will be well over a thousand FOs ahead of you. Other than a handful of retirements, attrition has dried up. |
Originally Posted by Fillmore Slim
(Post 3035263)
Bingo! It's the reason contract captains on the G-5 // GLEX make $1000+ per day and have all their expenses covered......because they don't know when the next trip will cancel. We don't have a product to sell......no widgets to speak of. Atlas contracts everything out (mx, ground personal, loadmasters, flight attendants, etc). Hell, even our HQ in Purchase is rented space from Morgan Stanley, as is space for our sims. Atlas has no hard assets, except for the Pilots on the seniority list. It's quite brilliant actually, keep costs as low as possible so you can turn the lights off whenever it's in the best interest of management.
The pilots here can go anywhere at anytime. They are exceptional aviators and should be compensated accordingly. |
Originally Posted by akfrtdwg 57
(Post 3035031)
I would argue that if you expect people to accept inherent risk they need to be compensated for it. So we should be paid more than the other guys to offset said risk.
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Originally Posted by CRJJ
(Post 3035273)
I get the 777 growth, but is there any on the 737 fleet? I thought 400s were leaving and the 800s were going to SunCountry / Swift Air. Is Southern getting extra 800s?
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Originally Posted by heloguy
(Post 3035105)
i have read through this thread, but my head is spinning as there is a lot of information. Does the below look accurate? Would you add anything significant to consider when choosing what to ask for?
767: 13 days off, 17 day trips, often split trips, oldest aircraft, mixed dom/int'l routes, no crew bunks, 3 yr upgrade the schedules depend on your base. If you live in and are based in cvg, you can have trips of 0 days, by bidding reserve, and being home all the time. You go to the sim every 3 months to get your landings/takeoffs. An ont 767 pilot said they regularly are home during their trips, due to flights returning to ont and he lives in base. 777: 13 days off, 17 day trips, rarely split trips, newest aircraft, mostly int'l routes, ?? Crew bunks, 4 yr upgrade they typically fly to a small number of airports, with none or very little charter. I think they typically are gone more days in a row than 747 pilots. 747: 13 days off, 17 day trips, some split trips, mid-aged aircraft, mostly int'l routes, has crew bunks, 4 yr upgrade i have been mostly based in jfk/ord (and some hsv). I normally have a 17 day trip once in about 3-4 months. Most of my trips are 6-16 days. I have had a lot of 3, 4, 5 day trips and a few 2 and 1 day trips. If you live in and are based in mia, you can be home a lot. If you are based in jfk, anc or lax, you can be home in the middle of your trips if you live in base. I think the current upgrade is more like 5 years on the 747 at this moment. also, it appears that although the 747 has the higher pay rates the 777 has higher credit for overall higher pay? the credit hours are very random on the 747. We used to average about 74 credit hours/month, but that was long ago. I was paid guarantee for dec/jan/feb (i was on vacation for all of feb+). For mar, i was way over guarantee. I didn't do anything different in my schedule between dec/jan/mar...it is just random assignments by scheduling changing you from over guarantee to min pay per month. You can volunteer to work more days, and you may or may not end up working more. You can have an 85 hour bid line, and end up with 62 hours of credit. You can have a 62 hour bid line, and end up with 85 hours of credit. thanks! |
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