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04-18-2020, 08:28 PM
#1052
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
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04-18-2020, 08:51 PM
#1053
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 240
Originally Posted by Simonole
what are the timelines for sitting reserve in the 747? 12 hour notice? 2 hour notice? Basically I’m just curious how close to your base you’d have to be to still be able to sit from home.
3 types of RSV from my interview notes.
1)home, 5 hrs to gateway, NLT 10 hrs to T/o
2) hotel rsv
3) airport rsv, 90 min to T/o.
I’m sure someone around here clan clean this up but that was the basics. Also, there aren’t reserve lines. They’re built into the lines from what I understand.
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04-18-2020, 10:12 PM
#1054
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Originally Posted by RemiDenton
3 types of RSV from my interview notes.
1)home, 5 hrs to gateway, NLT 10 hrs to T/o
2) hotel rsv
3) airport rsv, 90 min to T/o.
I’m sure someone around here clan clean this up but that was the basics. Also, there aren’t reserve lines. They’re built into the lines from what I understand.
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1)home, 5 hrs to gateway, NLT 10 hrs to T/o
2) hotel rsv
3) airport rsv, 90 min to T/o.
I’m sure someone around here clan clean this up but that was the basics. Also, there aren’t reserve lines. They’re built into the lines from what I understand.
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There are definitely reserve lines, they just aren’t necessarily as common or junior. There are complete reserve lines, there are hybrid lines with a mix of reserve and trips, and there are regular lines, which don’t contain reserve assignments. Lines may have layovers long enough to be subject to contactability, which is almost psuedo-reserve but with longer callout, and notification requirements.
04-18-2020, 10:20 PM
#1055
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
There are definitely reserve lines, they just aren’t necessarily as common or junior. There are complete reserve lines, there are hybrid lines with a mix of reserve and trips, and there are regular lines, which don’t contain reserve assignments. Lines may have layovers long enough to be subject to contactability, which is almost psuedo-reserve but with longer callout, and notification requirements.
Are some air frames more susceptible to reserve lines than others? Do those reserve lines typically go senior and in domicile?
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04-18-2020, 11:04 PM
#1056
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 58
Originally Posted by atpcliff
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Originally Posted by HeloGuy
I have read through this thread, but my head is spinning as there is a lot of information. Does the below look accurate? Would you add anything significant to consider when choosing what to ask for?
767: 13 days off, 17 day trips, Often split trips, Oldest aircraft, Mixed Dom/Int'l routes, No crew bunks, 3 yr upgrade
777: 13 days off, 17 day trips, Rarely split trips, Newest aircraft, Mostly Int'l routes, ?? crew bunks, 4 yr upgrade
747: 13 days off, 17 day trips, some split trips, mid-aged aircraft, Mostly Int'l routes, has crew bunks, 4 yr upgrade
Also, it appears that although the 747 has the higher pay rates the 777 has higher credit for overall higher pay? the credit hours are very random on the 747. We used to average about 74 credit hours/month, but that was long ago. I was paid guarantee for dec/jan/feb (i was on vacation for all of feb+). For mar, i was way over guarantee. I didn't do anything different in my schedule between dec/jan/mar...it is just random assignments by scheduling changing you from over guarantee to min pay per month. You can volunteer to work more days, and you may or may not end up working more. You can have an 85 hour bid line, and end up with 62 hours of credit. You can have a 62 hour bid line, and end up with 85 hours of credit.
Thanks!
767: 13 days off, 17 day trips, Often split trips, Oldest aircraft, Mixed Dom/Int'l routes, No crew bunks, 3 yr upgrade
777: 13 days off, 17 day trips, Rarely split trips, Newest aircraft, Mostly Int'l routes, ?? crew bunks, 4 yr upgrade
747: 13 days off, 17 day trips, some split trips, mid-aged aircraft, Mostly Int'l routes, has crew bunks, 4 yr upgrade
Also, it appears that although the 747 has the higher pay rates the 777 has higher credit for overall higher pay? the credit hours are very random on the 747. We used to average about 74 credit hours/month, but that was long ago. I was paid guarantee for dec/jan/feb (i was on vacation for all of feb+). For mar, i was way over guarantee. I didn't do anything different in my schedule between dec/jan/mar...it is just random assignments by scheduling changing you from over guarantee to min pay per month. You can volunteer to work more days, and you may or may not end up working more. You can have an 85 hour bid line, and end up with 62 hours of credit. You can have a 62 hour bid line, and end up with 85 hours of credit.
Thanks!
04-19-2020, 01:55 AM
#1057
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: B767 - Captain
Posts: 138
Originally Posted by RemiDenton
Are some air frames more susceptible to reserve lines than others? Do those reserve lines typically go senior and in domicile?
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On the 767 reserve tends to go more junior for FO’s. Reserve is noticeably more senior on the CA side. Whether or not it’s in domicile completely depends on what you want to bid. We have reserve lines that aren’t even in a base.
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04-19-2020, 04:07 AM
#1058
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 666
Originally Posted by fiftyone
After trying to keep up with this forum for the past two years, atpcliff’s response to the last question sounds as though there is no pay protection for when Scheduling drops a pilot’s credit below their original award, which unfortunately is no surprise.
In addition to all of that, scheduling can rearrange your schedule at any point in time (you’re required to check it every 10 hours) in such a way that reduces your pay up to min guarantee.
I’m not here to dissuade people from coming to Atlas (particularly for those who are recently out of a job), but I do want everyone to be prepared for what the reality is here. I can’t emphasize enough how important it is to be able to pay your bills off of monthly guarantee.
04-19-2020, 07:46 AM
#1059
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Originally Posted by RyeMex
Unfortunately, no. The only pay protection that we have of any kind is monthly guarantee (50 hours first year, 62 thereafter). If you call in sick, our pay is effectively reduced by 3.65 hours off credit per day until you’re at minimum guarantee. Taking vacation in a month will result in guarantee. Having a training event during a month will result in guarantee, unless you agree to come in on your days off, in which case you are paid 3.65 hours per day.
In addition to all of that, scheduling can rearrange your schedule at any point in time (you’re required to check it every 10 hours) in such a way that reduces your pay up to min guarantee.
I’m not here to dissuade people from coming to Atlas (particularly for those who are recently out of a job), but I do want everyone to be prepared for what the reality is here. I can’t emphasize enough how important it is to be able to pay your bills off of monthly guarantee.
In addition to all of that, scheduling can rearrange your schedule at any point in time (you’re required to check it every 10 hours) in such a way that reduces your pay up to min guarantee.
I’m not here to dissuade people from coming to Atlas (particularly for those who are recently out of a job), but I do want everyone to be prepared for what the reality is here. I can’t emphasize enough how important it is to be able to pay your bills off of monthly guarantee.
04-19-2020, 07:50 AM
#1060
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 240
All negativity aside, what’s the skinny on the new contract? Is that when they go single certificate? I appreciate the forthright information. I think the reality is with the large flow of people coming over, whether it’s wishful thinking or not, a decent contract could make many choose to stay put. I’m sure that’s said every round though.
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