Atlas / Southern
#1181
Meh, it’s hard to get through the Richard Craniums with their measuring tapes about contract management... I’ve gone back as far as I could stand to read.
It’d be nice if there were a forum for AAWW with its own set of threads.
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#1182
It is 13/14 days off, depending on 30/31 day month. Some schedules have more days off than 13/14. We also have R1 (reserve days at home), which is not paid, but you are home. I don't like R1 at all.
#1183
The arbitors are not limited in their time to provide a ruling. They can take as long as they want...it is not like in court with specific dates for a hearing/sentencing.
#1184
The contract talk is tedious and boring, but it gets brought up a lot because it is a large factor in working here. In fact it is the largest factor in justifying working here versus anywhere else. Same as any airline I suppose. At the end of the day Atlas is not a bad job (it’s definitely different), but one needs to be ready to swallow the horse pill of reality that comes with working here. Once the allure of flying a heavy wears off how food gets put on the table, and how it gets put on the table after one retires or lord forbid loses their medical will be of the utmost concern.
All that being said, yeah it would be great if we had our own forum on APC in order to have more specific threads.
Welcome aboard, enjoy training (it’s long but it’s a good time overall), and get ready for some really fun flying....... when you’re not sitting the sort
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#1185
It’s necessary to learn I’m sure, but all in all, one step at a time. I’m more curious what’s on the catering menu and how I’m going to prevent “Body by Atlas”. The CA’s will fill me in on the contract qweep once I can figure out the DCT TO feature of the FMS.
I appreciate all the replies I’ve gotten.
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#1186
It’s necessary to learn I’m sure, but all in all, one step at a time. I’m more curious what’s on the catering menu and how I’m going to prevent “Body by Atlas”. The CA’s will fill me in on the contract qweep once I can figure out the DCT TO feature of the FMS.
I appreciate all the replies I’ve gotten.
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I appreciate all the replies I’ve gotten.
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Lol! There’s the real question! The trick to avoiding body by Atlas is maintaining some semblance of a routine. Resistance bands in the suitcase goes a long way for me . The catering varies by station, but the golden rule is to avoid the cake in the set ups .
You’re absolutely right. Now that you’ve made your informed decision the number one concern is learning how to fly the jet. Knock that out of the park and worry about the rest after year one.
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#1188
I can see why folks do CVG if they reside relatively nearby. I do not, so anything that even remotely resembles “sitting the sort” to include back and forth legs, I’m out - at least for the foreseeable future. Hence MEM or SDF are out of the question for now as well. That’s tough stuff and for some odd reason international long haul day and night, crew of 4 or 3, one and done (mostly one, sometimes not) is right down my alley. I just feel better going somewhere and the sleep machine takes care of any time zone issues for myself. Body by Atlas runs amuck, for myself it’s the gyms (not right now) and lots of H2O that get my attention as well as the cake obviously. Overall, it seems there’s all sorts of flying for all sorts of folks, no pun intended. Having no youngsters helps immensely.
#1189
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2017
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It’s necessary to learn I’m sure, but all in all, one step at a time. I’m more curious what’s on the catering menu and how I’m going to prevent “Body by Atlas”. The CA’s will fill me in on the contract qweep once I can figure out the DCT TO feature of the FMS.
I appreciate all the replies I’ve gotten.
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I appreciate all the replies I’ve gotten.
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#1190
To all of you who might find yourselves at this glorious outfit in the near future, I give you some free advice from a regular line CA.
I can only speak about the 747, but much of this will apply to all air-frames. You are all pilots, and you know how to fly already. The problem is the amount of information and compressed training time at the school house. You will be drinking from a fire hose even though the training has certainly improved since my initial. Your first goal is to pass your type ride and oral. You MUST do this!
Then, you will have to get through OE, which will most likely be a wam bam thank you mam experience. You will probably be signed off without having done a North Atlantic crossing. You will have no clue what you are doing, and a line Captain will have to teach you. When this happens, please be upfront and tell the CA that you have never done this before. Then, please be open minded and teachable.
The 747 is a big airplane, but it is still an airplane. It is not difficult to fly, but you must respect two laws! The law of wings level at touchdown and center line discipline. These two laws will keep you out of about 95% of the danger.
Most of you who have flown more advanced airplanes, like the E175, etc, will find the FMS antiquated. It will not do things that you take for granted. You will have to recage your mindset a bit. Hand fly the airplane every chance you get. Ask lots of questions. Study on your own.
You are now going to be flying on 6 different continents with only 24 hours notice, and your ATP is on the line too. You will be singing the flight plan as PIC while I am sleeping.
Get a noise cancelling headset!!!!! That especially goes for you old guys who have never flown internationally and can't understand what the Korean lady is saying. Read the notes before your flight. AMS is not playing around when they say "call sign only". Learn how to talk on the radio. Learn ICAO radio terminology.
You sound like an amateur or a Delta pilot when you say to Tokyo control "Giant forty five seventy five climbing 5.5 for 10." And it makes it much harder for the everyone else. You can get away with that in the States, and it doesn't bother me in that case, but this is unacceptable internationally.
You will find yourself slipping into a 3-4 hour sleep cycle on the road. This is the result of cumulative fatigue. It comes with the territory. Life at Atlas is feast or famine, and there is no typical pattern. Learn to get some exercise and clean up your nutrition as much as possible. Even walking will help a lot. You will have to find out what works for you by trial an error. Always and never don't apply in our situation.
Good luck and remember that fate is a hunter!
I can only speak about the 747, but much of this will apply to all air-frames. You are all pilots, and you know how to fly already. The problem is the amount of information and compressed training time at the school house. You will be drinking from a fire hose even though the training has certainly improved since my initial. Your first goal is to pass your type ride and oral. You MUST do this!
Then, you will have to get through OE, which will most likely be a wam bam thank you mam experience. You will probably be signed off without having done a North Atlantic crossing. You will have no clue what you are doing, and a line Captain will have to teach you. When this happens, please be upfront and tell the CA that you have never done this before. Then, please be open minded and teachable.
The 747 is a big airplane, but it is still an airplane. It is not difficult to fly, but you must respect two laws! The law of wings level at touchdown and center line discipline. These two laws will keep you out of about 95% of the danger.
Most of you who have flown more advanced airplanes, like the E175, etc, will find the FMS antiquated. It will not do things that you take for granted. You will have to recage your mindset a bit. Hand fly the airplane every chance you get. Ask lots of questions. Study on your own.
You are now going to be flying on 6 different continents with only 24 hours notice, and your ATP is on the line too. You will be singing the flight plan as PIC while I am sleeping.
Get a noise cancelling headset!!!!! That especially goes for you old guys who have never flown internationally and can't understand what the Korean lady is saying. Read the notes before your flight. AMS is not playing around when they say "call sign only". Learn how to talk on the radio. Learn ICAO radio terminology.
You sound like an amateur or a Delta pilot when you say to Tokyo control "Giant forty five seventy five climbing 5.5 for 10." And it makes it much harder for the everyone else. You can get away with that in the States, and it doesn't bother me in that case, but this is unacceptable internationally.
You will find yourself slipping into a 3-4 hour sleep cycle on the road. This is the result of cumulative fatigue. It comes with the territory. Life at Atlas is feast or famine, and there is no typical pattern. Learn to get some exercise and clean up your nutrition as much as possible. Even walking will help a lot. You will have to find out what works for you by trial an error. Always and never don't apply in our situation.
Good luck and remember that fate is a hunter!
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