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Elevation 08-20-2019 04:06 AM

No need to panic until we have the facts. Even then there will be no need to freak out.

In the mean time we have an existential safety crisis which we're aren't addressing or even acknowledging.

Why not freak out about that instead?

FrancesTheMute 08-20-2019 04:32 AM


Originally Posted by Turbine1 (Post 2873165)
Itís not the unions fault but the company will promote that story for all itís worth. 1224 will just have to explain to John Q Public that the company forced us into this position and now nothing less than all our jobs are at stake.

If that scope merger language is not removed then Atlas pilots wonít get to vote on a contract their entire careers here. Just like in 2011 and apparently this contract cycle too. Of bigger concern though is if scope goes to the arbitrator again heíll give mgt everything they want...just like he did in 2011. The executives are recently on record saying they want major increases in dry leasing and the ability to sell aircraft without the pilots attached. Just a company scare tactic? I donít think so, Iíve never seen the company fail to follow thru on their threats.

If a majority of the pilot group donít mind that, then proceed. Hand over our biggest bargaining chip, the combined seniority list and weíre headed to another arbitrated 50% discounted industry worst JCBA; this time with NO job protections.

We wonít be near the finish line. The company intentionally dragged it out 2.5 years after the joint list was published between Atlas and Polar in 2009. Bet on that timeline again, 9 months means nothing to AAWH and it isnít binding. The Atlas/Southern list will take a year to merge first. Fun fact, during that 2.5 years of ďgood faith negotiationsĒ it was later revealed that Atlas was secretly shopping around Polar to the highest bidder. Every Polar pilot would have been instantly on the street if theyíd found a buyer.

So about the Fall of 2022, weíll implement a new 10 yr JCBA and assume our new roles as Temp Pilots. I think avoiding that future is worth a little bad press. Shareholders are smart enough to see who really is to blame, as the tanking stock price reflects.



Itís not 2009 and they canít afford that timeline.

Mando210 08-20-2019 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by Elevation (Post 2873180)
No need to panic until we have the facts. Even then there will be no need to freak out.

In the mean time we have an existential safety crisis which we're aren't addressing or even acknowledging.

Why not freak out about that instead?

And what would that safety crisis be?

Twin Wasp 08-20-2019 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by FrancesTheMute (Post 2873191)
Itís not 2009 and they canít afford that timeline.


The problem is "Management" doesn't seem to know that.

JackStraw 08-20-2019 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by Champcar (Post 2873192)
And what would that safety crisis be?

Well Atlas has crashed 2 airplanes in under 12 months.

RyeMex 08-20-2019 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by JackStraw (Post 2873215)
Well Atlas has crashed 2 airplanes in under 12 months.

Don't forget about Senior management threatening crewmembers with a lawsuit if they dare to call in fatigued. Safety third!

kodiakallstar 08-20-2019 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by FrancesTheMute (Post 2873191)
Itís not 2009 and they canít afford that timeline.

Mgmt doesnít seem to agree. Even though the company is faltering big time due mostly to not enough crew they will never admit it publicly. Theyíll blame trade wars or whatever even though the planes we are still flying are completely packed and we are turning down business left and right. At this point the only thing they fear is being removed by the board for the companies terrible performance and they just solved that problem now didnít they. They can run this thing totally into bankruptcy and not even blink.

tom11011 08-20-2019 11:10 AM

Hi Group,

I received a recruitment email for Southern Air for the 777. I was looking you up on this website and the information is stale. What are the pay rates for the 777? Obviously there is a typo at $80 per hour, I'm thinking $180 but that seems high for a new hire too? And have your domiciles also changed since that was posted?

Thanks in advance. Sounds like a fun opportunity on the triple 7.

s3cLyfe 08-20-2019 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 2873413)
Hi Group,

I received a recruitment email for Southern Air for the 777. I was looking you up on this website and the information is stale. What are the pay rates for the 777? Obviously there is a typo at $80 per hour, I'm thinking $180 but that seems high for a new hire too? And have your domiciles also changed since that was posted?

Thanks in advance. Sounds like a fun opportunity on the triple 7.

Every Atlas Pilot is reading this and thinks youíre either trolling or beyond incompetent. I donít work at Atlas so Iíll respond on their behalf. If youíve even read the last two pages of this thread alone youíd know to steer clear. Which is why youíre just on here to cause drama.

Formerbuspilot 08-20-2019 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 2873413)
Hi Group,

I received a recruitment email for Southern Air for the 777. I was looking you up on this website and the information is stale. What are the pay rates for the 777? Obviously there is a typo at $80 per hour, I'm thinking $180 but that seems high for a new hire too? And have your domiciles also changed since that was posted?

Thanks in advance. Sounds like a fun opportunity on the triple 7.

Iím pretty sure that everyone with a m-e commercial ticket and an active email account has received the same solicitation.

Yes, $80/hour x 50hrs/month. Awesome opportunity!!


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