Originally Posted by Turbine1 (Post 2873165)

It’s not the unions fault but the company will promote that story for all it’s worth. 1224 will just have to explain to John Q Public that the company forced us into this position and now nothing less than all our jobs are at stake.

If that scope merger language is not removed then Atlas pilots won’t get to vote on a contract their entire careers here. Just like in 2011 and apparently this contract cycle too. Of bigger concern though is if scope goes to the arbitrator again he’ll give mgt everything they want...just like he did in 2011. The executives are recently on record saying they want major increases in dry leasing and the ability to sell aircraft without the pilots attached. Just a company scare tactic? I don’t think so, I’ve never seen the company fail to follow thru on their threats.

If a majority of the pilot group don’t mind that, then proceed. Hand over our biggest bargaining chip, the combined seniority list and we’re headed to another arbitrated 50% discounted industry worst JCBA; this time with NO job protections.

We won’t be near the finish line. The company intentionally dragged it out 2.5 years after the joint list was published between Atlas and Polar in 2009. Bet on that timeline again, 9 months means nothing to AAWH and it isn’t binding. The Atlas/Southern list will take a year to merge first. Fun fact, during that 2.5 years of “good faith negotiations” it was later revealed that Atlas was secretly shopping around Polar to the highest bidder. Every Polar pilot would have been instantly on the street if they’d found a buyer.

So about the Fall of 2022, we’ll implement a new 10 yr JCBA and assume our new roles as Temp Pilots. I think avoiding that future is worth a little bad press. Shareholders are smart enough to see who really is to blame, as the tanking stock price reflects.

Originally Posted by Elevation (Post 2873180)

No need to panic until we have the facts. Even then there will be no need to freak out.

In the mean time we have an existential safety crisis which we're aren't addressing or even acknowledging.

Why not freak out about that instead?

Originally Posted by FrancesTheMute (Post 2873191)

It’s not 2009 and they can’t afford that timeline.

Originally Posted by Champcar (Post 2873192)

And what would that safety crisis be?

Originally Posted by JackStraw (Post 2873215)

Well Atlas has crashed 2 airplanes in under 12 months.

Originally Posted by FrancesTheMute (Post 2873191)

It’s not 2009 and they can’t afford that timeline.

Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 2873413)

Hi Group,

I received a recruitment email for Southern Air for the 777. I was looking you up on this website and the information is stale. What are the pay rates for the 777? Obviously there is a typo at $80 per hour, I'm thinking $180 but that seems high for a new hire too? And have your domiciles also changed since that was posted?

Thanks in advance. Sounds like a fun opportunity on the triple 7.

Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 2873413)

Hi Group,

I received a recruitment email for Southern Air for the 777. I was looking you up on this website and the information is stale. What are the pay rates for the 777? Obviously there is a typo at $80 per hour, I'm thinking $180 but that seems high for a new hire too? And have your domiciles also changed since that was posted?

Thanks in advance. Sounds like a fun opportunity on the triple 7.