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Globemaster2827 08-21-2019 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by JackStraw (Post 2873869)
They went from zeroes to having a decent cba and all of a sudden canít stay in their own lane whenever they see another bad Atlas thread.

If I had to rank their CBA they'd be behind Spirit, Jet Blue, Frontier, Alliegient, Southwest, Delta, American, United, FedEx, UPS, Omni and ATI... That's 12 airlines. I'll leave it to you whether that's "decent"... I don't expect Atlas to surpass any of those on the list except for Omni and ATI plus probably K4 since JD said "K4 Plus a Dollar" in several forums. Of course K4 will be starting negotiations just like Atlas was when K4 got their "decent" contract.

I think the real kicker though is if you're better off at a commuter with direct flow than K4. The pay would be better at K4 but you would end up at American for sure. That's part of their contract... So... I might put commuters up there too.

Locke 08-21-2019 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 2873896)
If I had to rank their CBA they'd be behind Spirit, Jet Blue, Frontier, Alliegient, Southwest, Delta, American, United, FedEx, UPS, Omni and ATI... That's 12 airlines. I'll leave it to you whether that's "decent"... I don't expect Atlas to surpass any of those on the list except for Omni and ATI plus probably K4 since JD said "K4 Plus a Dollar" in several forums. Of course K4 will be starting negotiations just like Atlas was when K4 got their "decent" contract.

I think the real kicker though is if you're better off at a commuter with direct flow than K4. The pay would be better at K4 but you would end up at American for sure. That's part of their contract... So... I might put commuters up there too.

Itís mind boggling how quickly these arguments go in circles.

No one asked you to rank anything. Keep thinking what you want, but while youíre complaining about pay, qol, vacation, etc, most of the K4 guys are actually happy.

Globemaster2827 08-21-2019 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Locke (Post 2873937)
Itís mind boggling how quickly these arguments go in circles.

No one asked you to rank anything. Keep thinking what you want, but while youíre complaining about pay, qol, vacation, etc, most of the K4 guys are actually happy.

Glad they're happy... I just think it's a stretch to call their contract "Decent" or "Average".

robi523 08-21-2019 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 2873941)
Glad they're happy... I just think it's a stretch to call their contract "Decent" or "Average".

Easy fix... Stay away

No Land 3 08-21-2019 01:06 PM

I'm sorry, who else has first year FO's breaking 200k if they want it? Or 140k if they'd rather be home more? Our giant hourly rate increase was done instead of a rig.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.

JackStraw 08-21-2019 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2874037)
I'm sorry, who else has first year FO's breaking 200k if they want it? Or 140k if they'd rather be home more? Our giant hourly rate increase was done instead of a rig.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.

Why do Kalitta guys constantly migrate over to Atlas threads to spike your W2s on us? It reeks of desperation.

No Land 3 08-21-2019 01:22 PM

I'd rather not come over to your threads, but some of us feel a need to defend. Others still have a ton of animosity towards the new contract being held up 6 months. But I believe all of us want to see you guys get the new contract you want, and have some empathy for you guys dealing with a management who seemingly doesn't care about the company long term.

boeingdvr 08-21-2019 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2874037)
I'm sorry, who else has first year FO's breaking 200k if they want it? Or 140k if they'd rather be home more? Our giant hourly rate increase was done instead of a rig.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.

Our INTL DH has always been biz class. Now when you leave your home to whatever connection the domestic portion is also first class.

maxjet 08-21-2019 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 2873941)
Glad they're happy... I just think it's a stretch to call their contract "Decent" or "Average".

Those of you who are new to the forum. 1224 leadership held up the TA that K4 had for many months. The reason? Kalitta had negotiated a 24 hour duty day when on a double crew. Down from 30. 1224 at the last minute stopped the process over a NEW demand. Deals off and you need to obtain an 18 hour max duty day. Long story as to why 1224 would do this to us and not worth rehashing. It cost K4 pilots substantial money in both lost pay and expenses to arbitrate our way free. It was in my opinion the main reason we left 1224.

How this gets morphed into you thinking that K4 Pilots do not adamantly support the well being of ALL pilots just reeks of immaturity on your part.

JonnyKnoxville 08-21-2019 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2874037)
I'm sorry, who else has first year FO's breaking 200k if they want it? Or 140k if they'd rather be home more? Our giant hourly rate increase was done instead of a rig.
Now ya'll are super happy for your new DH rules saying it is industry leading. Should I be the prick that says it's still not at the level of what Evergreen had? All international DH was business class regardless of length or legs.
A commuter? Every former commuter pilot at K4 is looking at you as if you just dressed up as Hitler for Halloween.

I am not sure who you are referring to?

If it is the comments by Globe, he is a FedEx pilot and not an Atlas pilot. If the new DH rules you are referring to as being industry leading is in reference to Atlas, that is because they will be when this CBA gets signed. All international travel is Business Class or better (as it is today), so your information is wrong there.


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