CardboardCutout

Ah, the pilot shortage!

propellere

This isn’t as vague as my original question about the flight time. For the FAA you only log time in actual IMC for instrument time where sole use of the instruments is required. Overseas other agencies use an IFR flight plan as criteria for logging instrument time, therefore IFR flight time = instrument time.

Speaking with the ABQ FSDO, only time logged for augmented pilot operations is time in the seat. Bunk time doesn’t count in the eyes of the FAA towards PIC or SIC, nor TT. This would be supported with the fact that the 2nd in command pilot taking the seat as PIC when the Captain is in the bunk. If qualified as 2nd in command on a 3-4 person crew, I would log that in a different column as IRO time or whatever you call it. That way you can break your logbook down when the time comes.

PM me and I will give you the contact at the FSDO.

Reason I brought this particular question up is to see where each person works and what their logbook Employers expectations are for the logbook. Seems to me that everyone has a different way of doing things.

Now, every interviewer may ask you to calculate your time differently, in that case take detailed notes and redo your logbook electronically to meet their individual needs like logging entire flight as SIC for 14 hrs for example.

Thanks everyone for your responses

C17B74

Anytime I am getting full pay I am logging something. Lie Flat Time, Soup time in 1st Class or Business, Lavatory “Other Time,” Feed Bag Time, PAX Frustration Time, FA debunk time, basically any time the brakes are released at some time for the mean time; therefore, we all have plenty of time. Yup, all clear now I’ve been doing it wrong if I were doing it. Good time to get started I guess and basically boils down to can you answer the mail when asked? Some will some won’t, just be prepared. Is there Mask time?

Elevation

This is just my take on things. I think those folks are being accurate or at least as accurate as anyone can practically be. Take yourself way back to flight training or, better yet, your first job. You weren't noting the exact instant you entered and departed the clouds. When I was flying cancelled checks I know that I wasn't. You'd fly and and afterwards think "I was in the clouds from about 6000 feet down to just outside the FAF." or MDA or whatever. You made your best effort to accurately estimate how much you were in the clouds.

Is that really different from someone saying they're flying by reference to instruments 10% of the time?

The big question is whether someone is accurately representing the nature and quantity of their experience. Are they pretending to be someone they aren't? I'd say an airline or charter pilot who said they had 5-15% of their time under IMC was trying to be accurate.

mcfadden

Where do the regs say "acting as second in command" or "act as second in command" in relation to the topic at hand? You keep quoting this but I don't think it says what you think it says. Also, there is no such thing as "third in command". There's PIC, SIC, and IRO or RFO.

And you're amazed at other people's ignorance?

Yes, any pilot on a 121 augmented crew flag operation can log the entire block time.

Smash312

I’ve had a look through previous posts going back 2 years, but I can’t seem to find some info.....

I’ve gathered that ANC is the junior base for 747 FO. Can someone please chime in and let me know what are the bases (Junior to Senior) on the 747/767/777 please.

I’m well aware of the bases, just not sure which bases run junior to senior.

Apologies in advance if I missed a post with the info somewhere - though I did take a good hard look.

Twin Wasp

HSV is shutting down and the vacancy award will be published on the 15th so wait a couple days. There were 82 HSV F/Os and no telling where they'll end up.

On the 76 JFK is about 3 years, ONT has January hires and the spring new hires went to CVG.

Bottom ~80 777 F/Os are CVG. The bottom LAX F/O is a November hire.

TiredSoul

Total time is brakes OFF - brakes ON
My SIC time is a portion of the total time as I log only in-the-seat-at-a-pilot station.
Four hours in the seat as relief pilot over the Pacific at night = actual instrument time.
4 hrs SIC
4 hrs “actual”
4 hrs Night

I really don’t value the opinion of a particular FSDO as the FAA is about the least standardized government organization.
Log whatever you want.
What you can count is something different.
IMC time is irrelevant anyway at this stage.
I just log it for giggles.

Liketoflyjets

This guy needs a log book check....

UP Pilot

Which in a heavy is all the time, with the exception of the initial rotation and the flare.