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Originally Posted by CandlerKid
(Post 2721268)
Not directed at anybody here, but just a general observation from my time at Atlas. We all worked crappy jobs at some point. If you want a better contract you need to be looking across the ramp at the other international widebody pilots and asking “why don’t I make as much as they do flying the same plane?” not looking at the C208 and thinking “man this is better than that!” 90% get it and are doing everything they can for a new contract but it’s an uphill battle convincing some there that they are worth more (see pre-OE 737 pilots for example). Frustrating to hear if you’re going there hoping for a new CBA and have it be the final career stop.
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
(Post 2721331)
All very good points. I would venture a guess that not a single person coming to Atlas/Southern these days comes with the intention of staying as their, “final career stop.” We will/have become the regionals of the freight world.
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Based on new numbers and what I've been hearing from fellow pilots. A new hire today would be lucky to see 767 Captain in 6 years.
There are nearly 250 767 FO's in the 3-4 year mark waiting for their slots. There is currently no more 767 growth. |
Southern Air
I have a CJO and class date for Southern, but wondering what realistic upgrade time might look like? In the presentation they said about 1 1/2 yrs... But is that current news or old? I currently have over 1,000 hrs 121 from another carrier to fill that requirement.
I also have a CJO from another 121 operation that operates DC9's and they have indicated that I would be able to upgrade within a couple months after finishing OE. Pluses and minuses to both jobs from my vantage point. Trying to figure out which one to take. |
Originally Posted by iropman
(Post 2722738)
I have a CJO and class date for Southern, but wondering what realistic upgrade time might look like? In the presentation they said about 1 1/2 yrs... But is that current news or old? I currently have over 1,000 hrs 121 from another carrier to fill that requirement.
I also have a CJO from another 121 operation that operates DC9's and they have indicated that I would be able to upgrade within a couple months after finishing OE. Pluses and minuses to both jobs from my vantage point. Trying to figure out which one to take. Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO. Come on over ! |
Originally Posted by boeingdvr
(Post 2722743)
We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.
Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO. Come on over ! I was told once before that "upgrade could happen quick." Now upgrade is at 2 years from date of hire. Back it up and show me that upgrade is currently happening 5-6 months after hire date (for those with 121 time to upgrade) and I'll gladly come over. The only other downside for me is the training pay. Ouch! but I can suck that up if the quick upgrade is a reality |
Originally Posted by boeingdvr
(Post 2722743)
We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.
Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO. Come on over ! |
Originally Posted by iropman
(Post 2722738)
I have a CJO and class date for Southern, but wondering what realistic upgrade time might look like? In the presentation they said about 1 1/2 yrs... But is that current news or old? I currently have over 1,000 hrs 121 from another carrier to fill that requirement.
I also have a CJO from another 121 operation that operates DC9's and they have indicated that I would be able to upgrade within a couple months after finishing OE. Pluses and minuses to both jobs from my vantage point. Trying to figure out which one to take. If you can’t survive on FO pay for at least 4-5 years, I’d look elsewhere. |
Originally Posted by RyeMex
(Post 2722789)
Recruiters at Atlas told me that I’d be a captain in 2 years. I’m now a 3rd year FO and at least another 2 years away from an upgrade. Be very suspicious about what any recruiter promises you.
If you can’t survive on FO pay for at least 4-5 years, I’d look elsewhere. ^ For those trying to make an informed decision, all this is correct. Upgrade on every fleet besides the 73 is 5+ years (assuming no growth, which is the safest assumption.) First year 50hr guarantee hurts, that being said, I spent 3 months of this year on 1st year pay, remainder on 2nd year pay and will just miss 100k by the end of December, plus another $11,500 in per diem. I did 1 extra trip, live in base. If you don’t live in base, the 17 days gets long or longer quick, be aware. |
Originally Posted by boeingdvr
(Post 2722743)
We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.
Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO. Come on over ! |
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