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iropman 12-10-2018 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker (Post 2722801)
^ For those trying to make an informed decision, all this is correct. Upgrade on every fleet besides the 73 is 5+ years (assuming no growth, which is the safest assumption.) First year 50hr guarantee hurts, that being said, I spent 3 months of this year on 1st year pay, remainder on 2nd year pay and will just miss 100k by the end of December, plus another $11,500 in per diem. I did 1 extra trip, live in base. If you donít live in base, the 17 days gets long or longer quick, be aware.


You must not be on the 737...
Still would like to know when the most junior captain was hired with Southern flying the 737 side.

thesandbox 12-10-2018 06:12 PM

you'll need 1)2500 on larger group II a/c 41,000lb or more AND 1000PIC on those a/c or... 2)1500hr on those a/c and 500 as SIC at the company....and that will take you about 2 1/2 -3 years based on flying about 20-30 hr a month if you hold a line. If you come on with their hiring mins and haven't flown a larger aircraft then as you see you are looking at 5-7 years....with no pay raise until year 4.

atpcliff 12-10-2018 06:33 PM

If you want some specific info, or have specific questions, feel free to contact me.

My opinion only:
737: The pay is so pitiful, I don't see how this makes sense. Maybe if you need a 737 type rating relatively soon...
767: The pay is terrible, especially for a 767. IF you live in CVG, or want to move there, then you can be home for a lot of nights, IF you do the DHL hub flying. If you can hold JFK, you can do a lot of pax flying all over the world.
777: The pay is awful (better than terrible). You go to about 6 destinations...over and over and over. You don't fly much.

WhipWhitaker 12-10-2018 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by iropman (Post 2722965)
You must not be on the 737...
Still would like to know when the most junior captain was hired with Southern flying the 737 side.

I am definitely not, however, looking at their seniority list...the JR 73 CA has a DOH of 06/17.

Biizii 05-21-2019 07:45 AM

Atlas or Uber?
 
I make 4500/ month

RoundPeg 05-25-2019 06:17 AM

recent rumor
 
So Iíve heard a recent rumor about Atlas/Southern that I find quite disturbing. I heard that your instructors are being as unhelpful as possible to New Hires and that your washout rate has increased dramatically. The intent, I was told, is to pressure management into a new contract.
Any truth to this, or is it just typical pilot bullsh*t?

JackStraw 05-25-2019 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by RoundPeg (Post 2826018)
So Iíve heard a recent rumor about Atlas/Southern that I find quite disturbing. I heard that your instructors are being as unhelpful as possible to New Hires and that your washout rate has increased dramatically. The intent, I was told, is to pressure management into a new contract.
Any truth to this, or is it just typical pilot bullsh*t?

Instructors are typically company men with aspirations of management, so no, thatís not likely. More likely is that the FAA is putting pressure on them after the crash to stop forcing pilots through the mill and actually grade their performances honestly. Now, the lackluster training program plus very low experienced students is equaling hirer washout rates.

boeingdvr 05-25-2019 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by RoundPeg (Post 2826018)
So Iíve heard a recent rumor about Atlas/Southern that I find quite disturbing. I heard that your instructors are being as unhelpful as possible to New Hires and that your washout rate has increased dramatically. The intent, I was told, is to pressure management into a new contract.
Any truth to this, or is it just typical pilot bullsh*t?

The instructors in Miami are more pro-company. But what I have seen- instructors are not helping students ďget throughĒ training. Self preservation, the instructors love their money, so they will do their job, and their job only.

If you canít perform, or need help- look towards yourself.

Our unfortunate accident, had brought training to the fore front.

If you do make it through- A 21 day trip around the world a few times await!!

Come on and see for yourself, CALL HR TODAY!

CVG today, BAH tomorrow- or is that today again ??

Riverside 05-25-2019 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2826027)
The instructors in Miami are more pro-company. But what I have seen- instructors are not helping students ďget throughĒ training. Self preservation, the instructors love their money, so they will do their job, and their job only.

If you canít perform, or need help- look towards yourself.

Our unfortunate accident, had brought training to the fore front.

If you do make it through- A 21 day trip around the world a few times await!!

Come on and see for yourself, CALL HR TODAY!

CVG today, BAH tomorrow- or is that today again ??

If you send me your resume, I'll send it over to K4 HR.

JonnyKnoxville 05-28-2019 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by RoundPeg (Post 2826018)
So Iíve heard a recent rumor about Atlas/Southern that I find quite disturbing. I heard that your instructors are being as unhelpful as possible to New Hires and that your washout rate has increased dramatically. The intent, I was told, is to pressure management into a new contract.
Any truth to this, or is it just typical pilot bullsh*t?

The experience level of new hires has fallen drastically. Management was pressuring instructors to pass pilots through the system even though they did not meet or exceed FAA standards. The second accident gave the instructors the cover they needed to grade based on the FAA standards without fear of negative repercussions from management.

Hopefully, when the dirty laundry at Atlas is all aired out, certain individuals in management will end up in prison where they belong.


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