Atlas / Southern
 

We are hiring !! Need all the bodies we can find. Come on over, the water is warm.

- 21 day trips around the world. If you want, you can bid back to back for 40 days on the road.
- 4.85 trip rig ( not per day ) half day = half pay.
- Day / night patterns
- day sleeping
- ready reserve from 3am - 9am ( no sleep rooms )
- Union Assement of $50 bucks a month mandatory
- 5 year upgrade on 767
- 1 year upgrade on 737 ( all nighters all the time ) 20 hours a month flying. Need 1k pic before upgrade.
- not a time building airline.
- Min guaranteed 62 hours.
- vacation & training months 62 hours. No way to break 62 unless working on days off
- DH to Asia on the 747 ( 4.85 ) hours of pay
- Atlas has deal with AA and Delta for ultra deep discounted fares. Not easy to accrue points and miles now.
- Most hotels crew member doesn't keep points.
- Plan on 1600 per month for first 5 months as new hire.
- OT is seniority based. New hires rarely get OT.

- We need all hands on deck. Come on over !!

Reading that sounds like as much fun as shoving a pencil through your eardrum...sounds alot like working at ABX

That was tongue in cheek and meant to turn people away, right?

If not, you might want to reassess the selling points.

Your sarcasm detector needs a shot of deice fluid. :D

Yep....the water is fine!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=An55GOPXn_M

I thought the requirement was that you couldn’t recruit for the company unless you hadn’t started OE yet?

Is she part of the deal?

Awesome! Southern is getting 747s back and adding 767s? Pretty soon we will be bigger than Atlas. Lol

Yes! Southern is the place to be. We also have same pay scale for years 1-4 on the FO side.

But it doesn't matter. You will be a captain in 2 years. Lol. The only problem. You need 1k PIC. @ 20 hours a month. You do the math

Is the international DH business or better?

You left out call in sick for three days and you're down to guarantee.

Yes. Oh- 75 hour line. They put you on R1. 62 hours BITACHES

Pretty sure it’s 1000 PIC, OR 1500 SIC, with 500 at the company

When they commercial you, it's BIZ class. However, seeing we are a global airline. I would say MAYBE once or twice a year you will get BIZ class intl. Otherwise, it's a freighter for you, and no you won't be getting that bunk- that's for the operating crew.

We do need bodies ! One great advantage, once we merge the seniority lists, all the junior southern captains on the 737, have the opportunity of being bumped from their seats for senior Atlas Pilots.

Come on over. We need pilots. Come get your 62 hours while it's hot !!!

Welcome to the airlines

What's up Charlie?

Eh. I don't know about that. Delta, FedEx, UPS, United, SWA, AA, Alaska, Spirit, Frontier, Hawaiian, K4, OMNI, and most the of regionals- All seem to have new CBA's. In fact, Delta and AA are ready for their next CBA, and I've been told the 777 will go for 400 an hour.

I'm sure Atlas and Southern are days away !! Come on. We need bodies !! 80 bucks an hour an 62 hours a month !!

My thoughts

In all honesty, not trying to be a d*ck, what’s keeping you here? I’m all for people leaving / not getting hired to show Atlas management how badly we need a new contract. This is night and day from my last job doing Ad-Hoc cargo though, so I’m pretty content for the time being

One more point !

We have these really great trips.

Day 1:
1230am wake up call. 330am departure.
CVG-STL-XXX. Land at 8am.
Sleep ( airport hotel )
Day 2 ( really day 1 ) 6pm Wakeup call.
XXX-STL-CVG. Arrive @ 2am.
Day 3. See day 1
Day 4. See day 2
Day 5-9999. See Day 1.

The trips are really sweet. You show up in the middle of the night after being awake all day. Fly 1-3 legs. Sleep in the middle of the day, and repeat. For your entire time on the 737!!!

I'm here for the catering, the night flying, the min pay, the lowest pay in the industry, the constant schedule changes, the imputed income, R3 at the hub @
3am, the non GPS, non CPDLC ocean flying, the HAZMAT, 1am wakeups, and beers with my buds.


How about you ?

Sounds like military strategic airlift. Just kidding, we have GPS, and CPDLC works most of the time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FswmNSov_JY

I’m here because I was tired of doing 28+ hour duty days with only 6-8 hours of block time, loading my own 20,000-30,000lbs of freight, no catering, less pay, flying with a Trimble GPS, on call 24/7 with a 20 minute show time, paying for my own crash pad, and a few other minor things. I didn’t have the time for big K or other cargo operations and I didn’t wanna go back to pax flying. So I guess you can say this was my only option. I don’t regret my decision. I like flying around the world and getting paid to do it. Could it be better? Of course, but, I know it could be much worse

Flying around the world can be lonely enough without alienating yourself from all your coworkers.

Luckily the 73 doesn't fly around the world. It only goes about 60° left and right.

And also 2500 hrs in group II aircraft, iirc.

I think guys are responding to the new recruiting ads on this site. I also used to fly single pilot freight and do a lot of loading and unloading. We've probably been to a number of same places, etc. Of course, so have a lot of other guys. I think most of us have much more in common than we think.

Not directed at anybody here, but just a general observation from my time at Atlas. We all worked crappy jobs at some point. If you want a better contract you need to be looking across the ramp at the other international widebody pilots and asking “why don’t I make as much as they do flying the same plane?” not looking at the C208 and thinking “man this is better than that!” 90% get it and are doing everything they can for a new contract but it’s an uphill battle convincing some there that they are worth more (see pre-OE 737 pilots for example). Frustrating to hear if you’re going there hoping for a new CBA and have it be the final career stop.

Winner Winner.

All very good points. I would venture a guess that not a single person coming to Atlas/Southern these days comes with the intention of staying as their, “final career stop.” We will/have become the regionals of the freight world.

Sad but true. Hoping for the best for the people who have been hearing that nightmare wake up call noise for years and years and deserve to get paid.

Based on new numbers and what I've been hearing from fellow pilots. A new hire today would be lucky to see 767 Captain in 6 years.

There are nearly 250 767 FO's in the 3-4 year mark waiting for their slots. There is currently no more 767 growth.

Southern Air
 

I have a CJO and class date for Southern, but wondering what realistic upgrade time might look like? In the presentation they said about 1 1/2 yrs... But is that current news or old? I currently have over 1,000 hrs 121 from another carrier to fill that requirement.

I also have a CJO from another 121 operation that operates DC9's and they have indicated that I would be able to upgrade within a couple months after finishing OE.

Pluses and minuses to both jobs from my vantage point. Trying to figure out which one to take.

We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.

Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO.

Come on over !

I was told once before that "upgrade could happen quick." Now upgrade is at 2 years from date of hire.

Back it up and show me that upgrade is currently happening 5-6 months after hire date (for those with 121 time to upgrade) and I'll gladly come over.

The only other downside for me is the training pay. Ouch! but I can suck that up if the quick upgrade is a reality

What you should be curious about is WHY only 2 people showed up. Do some homework on what is going on with Atlas/Southern. The recruiters will paint everything as sunshine and unicorns. Trust me it is far from the truth.

Recruiters at Atlas told me that I’d be a captain in 2 years. I’m now a 3rd year FO and at least another 2 years away from an upgrade. Be very suspicious about what any recruiter promises you.

If you can’t survive on FO pay for at least 4-5 years, I’d look elsewhere.

^ For those trying to make an informed decision, all this is correct. Upgrade on every fleet besides the 73 is 5+ years (assuming no growth, which is the safest assumption.) First year 50hr guarantee hurts, that being said, I spent 3 months of this year on 1st year pay, remainder on 2nd year pay and will just miss 100k by the end of December, plus another $11,500 in per diem. I did 1 extra trip, live in base. If you don’t live in base, the 17 days gets long or longer quick, be aware.

I bet they’re gambling on being seat protected if they can get in to upgrade class before the merger happens.