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boeingdvr 12-07-2018 09:22 AM

Atlas / Southern
 
We are hiring !! Need all the bodies we can find. Come on over, the water is warm.

- 21 day trips around the world. If you want, you can bid back to back for 40 days on the road.
- 4.85 trip rig ( not per day ) half day = half pay.
- Day / night patterns
- day sleeping
- ready reserve from 3am - 9am ( no sleep rooms )
- Union Assement of $50 bucks a month mandatory
- 5 year upgrade on 767
- 1 year upgrade on 737 ( all nighters all the time ) 20 hours a month flying. Need 1k pic before upgrade.
- not a time building airline.
- Min guaranteed 62 hours.
- vacation & training months 62 hours. No way to break 62 unless working on days off
- DH to Asia on the 747 ( 4.85 ) hours of pay
- Atlas has deal with AA and Delta for ultra deep discounted fares. Not easy to accrue points and miles now.
- Most hotels crew member doesn't keep points.
- Plan on 1600 per month for first 5 months as new hire.
- OT is seniority based. New hires rarely get OT.

- We need all hands on deck. Come on over !!

nitefr8dog 12-07-2018 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2720701)
We are hiring !! Need all the bodies we can find. Come on over, the water is warm.

- 21 day trips around the world. If you want, you can bid back to back for 40 days on the road.
- 4.85 trip rig ( not per day ) half day = half pay.
- Day / night patterns
- day sleeping
- ready reserve from 3am - 9am ( no sleep rooms )
- Union Assement of $50 bucks a month mandatory
- 5 year upgrade on 767
- 1 year upgrade on 737 ( all nighters all the time ) 20 hours a month flying. Need 1k pic before upgrade.
- not a time building airline.
- Min guaranteed 62 hours.
- vacation & training months 62 hours. No way to break 62 unless working on days off
- DH to Asia on the 747 ( 4.85 ) hours of pay
- Atlas has deal with AA and Delta for ultra deep discounted fares. Not easy to accrue points and miles now.
- Most hotels crew member doesn't keep points.
- Plan on 1600 per month for first 5 months as new hire.
- OT is seniority based. New hires rarely get OT.

- We need all hands on deck. Come on over !!

Reading that sounds like as much fun as shoving a pencil through your eardrum...sounds alot like working at ABX

JohnBurke 12-07-2018 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2720701)
We are hiring !! Need all the bodies we can find. Come on over, the water is warm.

- 21 day trips around the world. If you want, you can bid back to back for 40 days on the road.
- 4.85 trip rig ( not per day ) half day = half pay.
- Day / night patterns
- day sleeping
- ready reserve from 3am - 9am ( no sleep rooms )
- Union Assement of $50 bucks a month mandatory
- 5 year upgrade on 767
- 1 year upgrade on 737 ( all nighters all the time ) 20 hours a month flying. Need 1k pic before upgrade.
- not a time building airline.
- Min guaranteed 62 hours.
- vacation & training months 62 hours. No way to break 62 unless working on days off
- DH to Asia on the 747 ( 4.85 ) hours of pay
- Atlas has deal with AA and Delta for ultra deep discounted fares. Not easy to accrue points and miles now.
- Most hotels crew member doesn't keep points.
- Plan on 1600 per month for first 5 months as new hire.
- OT is seniority based. New hires rarely get OT.

- We need all hands on deck. Come on over !!

That was tongue in cheek and meant to turn people away, right?

If not, you might want to reassess the selling points.

Jurassic Jet 12-07-2018 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2720723)
That was tongue in cheek and meant to turn people away, right?

If not, you might want to reassess the selling points.


Your sarcasm detector needs a shot of deice fluid. :D

LotsaTypes 12-07-2018 10:38 AM

Yep....the water is fine!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=An55GOPXn_M

RyeMex 12-07-2018 11:12 AM

I thought the requirement was that you couldnít recruit for the company unless you hadnít started OE yet?

Reactivity 12-07-2018 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by LotsaTypes (Post 2720754)

Is she part of the deal?

Birdsmash 12-07-2018 01:39 PM

Awesome! Southern is getting 747s back and adding 767s? Pretty soon we will be bigger than Atlas. Lol

boeingdvr 12-07-2018 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Birdsmash (Post 2720894)
Awesome! Southern is getting 747s back and adding 767s? Pretty soon we will be bigger than Atlas. Lol

Yes! Southern is the place to be. We also have same pay scale for years 1-4 on the FO side.

But it doesn't matter. You will be a captain in 2 years. Lol. The only problem. You need 1k PIC. @ 20 hours a month. You do the math

MySaabStory 12-07-2018 02:34 PM

Is the international DH business or better?

Twin Wasp 12-07-2018 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2720701)
- vacation & training months 62 hours. No way to break 62 unless working on days off

You left out call in sick for three days and you're down to guarantee.

boeingdvr 12-07-2018 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by Twin Wasp (Post 2720959)
You left out call in sick for three days and you're down to guarantee.

Yes. Oh- 75 hour line. They put you on R1. 62 hours BITACHES

CCpounder 12-07-2018 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2720909)
Yes! Southern is the place to be. We also have same pay scale for years 1-4 on the FO side.

But it doesn't matter. You will be a captain in 2 years. Lol. The only problem. You need 1k PIC. @ 20 hours a month. You do the math


Pretty sure itís 1000 PIC, OR 1500 SIC, with 500 at the company

boeingdvr 12-07-2018 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by MySaabStory (Post 2720951)
Is the international DH business or better?

When they commercial you, it's BIZ class. However, seeing we are a global airline. I would say MAYBE once or twice a year you will get BIZ class intl. Otherwise, it's a freighter for you, and no you won't be getting that bunk- that's for the operating crew.

boeingdvr 12-07-2018 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by CCpounder (Post 2720987)
Pretty sure itís 1000 PIC, OR 1500 SIC, with 500 at the company

We do need bodies ! One great advantage, once we merge the seniority lists, all the junior southern captains on the 737, have the opportunity of being bumped from their seats for senior Atlas Pilots.

Come on over. We need pilots. Come get your 62 hours while it's hot !!!

CCpounder 12-07-2018 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2720991)
We do need bodies ! One great advantage, once we merge the seniority lists, all the junior southern captains on the 737, have the opportunity of being bumped from their seats for senior Atlas Pilots.

Come on over. We need pilots. Come get your 62 hours while it's hot !!!


Welcome to the airlines

thesandbox 12-07-2018 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by CCpounder (Post 2720997)
Welcome to the airlines


What's up Charlie?

boeingdvr 12-07-2018 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by CCpounder (Post 2720997)
Welcome to the airlines

Eh. I don't know about that. Delta, FedEx, UPS, United, SWA, AA, Alaska, Spirit, Frontier, Hawaiian, K4, OMNI, and most the of regionals- All seem to have new CBA's. In fact, Delta and AA are ready for their next CBA, and I've been told the 777 will go for 400 an hour.

I'm sure Atlas and Southern are days away !! Come on. We need bodies !! 80 bucks an hour an 62 hours a month !!

boeingdvr 12-07-2018 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by thesandbox (Post 2721008)
What's up Charlie?

My thoughts

CCpounder 12-07-2018 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2721009)
Eh. I don't know about that. Delta, FedEx, UPS, United, SWA, AA, Alaska, Spirit, Frontier, Hawaiian, K4, OMNI, and most the of regionals- All seem to have new CBA's. In fact, Delta and AA are ready for their next CBA, and I've been told the 777 will go for 400 an hour.

I'm sure Atlas and Southern are days away !! Come on. We need bodies !! 80 bucks an hour an 62 hours a month !!


In all honesty, not trying to be a d*ck, whatís keeping you here? Iím all for people leaving / not getting hired to show Atlas management how badly we need a new contract. This is night and day from my last job doing Ad-Hoc cargo though, so Iím pretty content for the time being

boeingdvr 12-07-2018 04:25 PM

One more point !

We have these really great trips.

Day 1:
1230am wake up call. 330am departure.
CVG-STL-XXX. Land at 8am.
Sleep ( airport hotel )
Day 2 ( really day 1 ) 6pm Wakeup call.
XXX-STL-CVG. Arrive @ 2am.
Day 3. See day 1
Day 4. See day 2
Day 5-9999. See Day 1.

The trips are really sweet. You show up in the middle of the night after being awake all day. Fly 1-3 legs. Sleep in the middle of the day, and repeat. For your entire time on the 737!!!

boeingdvr 12-07-2018 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by CCpounder (Post 2721018)
In all honesty, not trying to be a d*ck, whatís keeping you here? Iím all for people leaving / not getting hired to show Atlas management how badly we need a new contract. This is night and day from my last job doing Ad-Hoc cargo though, so Iím pretty content for the time being

I'm here for the catering, the night flying, the min pay, the lowest pay in the industry, the constant schedule changes, the imputed income, R3 at the hub @
3am, the non GPS, non CPDLC ocean flying, the HAZMAT, 1am wakeups, and beers with my buds.


How about you ?

ps2sunvalley 12-07-2018 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2721028)
I'm here for the catering, the night flying, the min pay, the lowest pay in the industry, the constant schedule changes, the imputed income, R3 at the hub @
3am, the non GPS, non CPDLC ocean flying, the HAZMAT, 1am wakeups, and beers with my buds.


How about you ?

Sounds like military strategic airlift. Just kidding, we have GPS, and CPDLC works most of the time.

boeingdvr 12-07-2018 04:44 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FswmNSov_JY

CCpounder 12-07-2018 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2721028)
I'm here for the catering, the night flying, the min pay, the lowest pay in the industry, the constant schedule changes, the imputed income, R3 at the hub @
3am, the non GPS, non CPDLC ocean flying, the HAZMAT, 1am wakeups, and beers with my buds.

How about you ?


Iím here because I was tired of doing 28+ hour duty days with only 6-8 hours of block time, loading my own 20,000-30,000lbs of freight, no catering, less pay, flying with a Trimble GPS, on call 24/7 with a 20 minute show time, paying for my own crash pad, and a few other minor things. I didnít have the time for big K or other cargo operations and I didnít wanna go back to pax flying. So I guess you can say this was my only option. I donít regret my decision. I like flying around the world and getting paid to do it. Could it be better? Of course, but, I know it could be much worse

useless 12-07-2018 04:58 PM

Flying around the world can be lonely enough without alienating yourself from all your coworkers.

Luckily the 73 doesn't fly around the world. It only goes about 60į left and right.

Lawn Boy 12-07-2018 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by CCpounder (Post 2720987)
Pretty sure itís 1000 PIC, OR 1500 SIC, with 500 at the company

And also 2500 hrs in group II aircraft, iirc.

Elevation 12-08-2018 01:03 AM

I think guys are responding to the new recruiting ads on this site. I also used to fly single pilot freight and do a lot of loading and unloading. We've probably been to a number of same places, etc. Of course, so have a lot of other guys. I think most of us have much more in common than we think.

CandlerKid 12-08-2018 05:04 AM

Not directed at anybody here, but just a general observation from my time at Atlas. We all worked crappy jobs at some point. If you want a better contract you need to be looking across the ramp at the other international widebody pilots and asking “why don’t I make as much as they do flying the same plane?” not looking at the C208 and thinking “man this is better than that!” 90% get it and are doing everything they can for a new contract but it’s an uphill battle convincing some there that they are worth more (see pre-OE 737 pilots for example). Frustrating to hear if you’re going there hoping for a new CBA and have it be the final career stop.

boeingdvr 12-08-2018 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by CandlerKid (Post 2721268)
Not directed at anybody here, but just a general observation from my time at Atlas. We all worked crappy jobs at some point. If you want a better contract you need to be looking across the ramp at the other international widebody pilots and asking ďwhy donít I make as much as they do flying the same plane?Ē not looking at the C208 and thinking ďman this is better than that!Ē 90% get it and are doing everything they can for a new contract but itís an uphill battle convincing some there that they are worth more (see pre-OE 737 pilots for example). Frustrating to hear if youíre going there hoping for a new CBA and have it be the final career stop.

Winner Winner.

WhipWhitaker 12-08-2018 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by CandlerKid (Post 2721268)
Not directed at anybody here, but just a general observation from my time at Atlas. We all worked crappy jobs at some point. If you want a better contract you need to be looking across the ramp at the other international widebody pilots and asking ďwhy donít I make as much as they do flying the same plane?Ē not looking at the C208 and thinking ďman this is better than that!Ē 90% get it and are doing everything they can for a new contract but itís an uphill battle convincing some there that they are worth more (see pre-OE 737 pilots for example). Frustrating to hear if youíre going there hoping for a new CBA and have it be the final career stop.

All very good points. I would venture a guess that not a single person coming to Atlas/Southern these days comes with the intention of staying as their, ďfinal career stop.Ē We will/have become the regionals of the freight world.

CandlerKid 12-08-2018 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker (Post 2721331)
All very good points. I would venture a guess that not a single person coming to Atlas/Southern these days comes with the intention of staying as their, ďfinal career stop.Ē We will/have become the regionals of the freight world.

Sad but true. Hoping for the best for the people who have been hearing that nightmare wake up call noise for years and years and deserve to get paid.

boeingdvr 12-10-2018 07:15 AM

Based on new numbers and what I've been hearing from fellow pilots. A new hire today would be lucky to see 767 Captain in 6 years.

There are nearly 250 767 FO's in the 3-4 year mark waiting for their slots. There is currently no more 767 growth.

iropman 12-10-2018 01:07 PM

Southern Air
 
I have a CJO and class date for Southern, but wondering what realistic upgrade time might look like? In the presentation they said about 1 1/2 yrs... But is that current news or old? I currently have over 1,000 hrs 121 from another carrier to fill that requirement.

I also have a CJO from another 121 operation that operates DC9's and they have indicated that I would be able to upgrade within a couple months after finishing OE.

Pluses and minuses to both jobs from my vantage point. Trying to figure out which one to take.

boeingdvr 12-10-2018 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by iropman (Post 2722738)
I have a CJO and class date for Southern, but wondering what realistic upgrade time might look like? In the presentation they said about 1 1/2 yrs... But is that current news or old? I currently have over 1,000 hrs 121 from another carrier to fill that requirement.

I also have a CJO from another 121 operation that operates DC9's and they have indicated that I would be able to upgrade within a couple months after finishing OE.

Pluses and minuses to both jobs from my vantage point. Trying to figure out which one to take.

We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.

Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO.

Come on over !

iropman 12-10-2018 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2722743)
We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.

Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO.

Come on over !


I was told once before that "upgrade could happen quick." Now upgrade is at 2 years from date of hire.

Back it up and show me that upgrade is currently happening 5-6 months after hire date (for those with 121 time to upgrade) and I'll gladly come over.

The only other downside for me is the training pay. Ouch! but I can suck that up if the quick upgrade is a reality

Sailfish234 12-10-2018 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2722743)
We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.

Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO.

Come on over !

What you should be curious about is WHY only 2 people showed up. Do some homework on what is going on with Atlas/Southern. The recruiters will paint everything as sunshine and unicorns. Trust me it is far from the truth.

RyeMex 12-10-2018 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by iropman (Post 2722738)
I have a CJO and class date for Southern, but wondering what realistic upgrade time might look like? In the presentation they said about 1 1/2 yrs... But is that current news or old? I currently have over 1,000 hrs 121 from another carrier to fill that requirement.

I also have a CJO from another 121 operation that operates DC9's and they have indicated that I would be able to upgrade within a couple months after finishing OE.

Pluses and minuses to both jobs from my vantage point. Trying to figure out which one to take.

Recruiters at Atlas told me that Iíd be a captain in 2 years. Iím now a 3rd year FO and at least another 2 years away from an upgrade. Be very suspicious about what any recruiter promises you.

If you canít survive on FO pay for at least 4-5 years, Iíd look elsewhere.

WhipWhitaker 12-10-2018 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by RyeMex (Post 2722789)
Recruiters at Atlas told me that Iíd be a captain in 2 years. Iím now a 3rd year FO and at least another 2 years away from an upgrade. Be very suspicious about what any recruiter promises you.

If you canít survive on FO pay for at least 4-5 years, Iíd look elsewhere.


^ For those trying to make an informed decision, all this is correct. Upgrade on every fleet besides the 73 is 5+ years (assuming no growth, which is the safest assumption.) First year 50hr guarantee hurts, that being said, I spent 3 months of this year on 1st year pay, remainder on 2nd year pay and will just miss 100k by the end of December, plus another $11,500 in per diem. I did 1 extra trip, live in base. If you donít live in base, the 17 days gets long or longer quick, be aware.

121guy 12-10-2018 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by boeingdvr (Post 2722743)
We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.

Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO.

Come on over !

I bet theyíre gambling on being seat protected if they can get in to upgrade class before the merger happens.


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