Southern Air CBA
 

So- take a look at the Southern Air prolife on APC. You can see mgmt has copied and pasted recent court ruling.

Exec mgmt is desperate for you to believe a higher CBA is on the way.

Let me tell you the facts. This is the same mgmt that told me nearly 4 years ago the UPS CBA was right around the corner and I got in on the ground floor.

I, like my co workers are all out- most have class dates at other airlines.

I’ve never been apart of, or witnessed such a dirty, hostile airline management group. The moral is absolutely at its worst, sick calls and FTG calls are at record levels. It has absolutely infected this pilot group like the plague.

I fear this group is so distracted and afraid of being disciplined- another horrible accident is on the horizon.

I truly believe based on the insane schedules, rushed training, and type of flying, it’s just a matter of time before we see something again.

It’s truly sad, and disgusting to see first hand, and I have no desire to be apart of this environment mgmt has created.

If I would of stayed at my regional I’d be flowing shortly. Worst career mistake for me.

Best of luck in your decisions, but coming here is a career killer and time waster.

The email dump stuff in my mailbox is annoying and makes the management team seem like petulant children. Sound like romper room over there. I had no specific opinion but now I hate Southern Atlas management. They really trying to do a public version of Pee Wee Herman's 'I know you are but what am I' routine? What a bunch of unprofessional clowns.

I wish the best to all the pilots.

62 hours is the min pay for the 737. Currently southern is operating 3 jets - flying to roughly 4 cities.

Based on how the 767 was rolled out for Amazon.

It will take them about 2-3 years to get all 737’s on property.

The only way to break 62 hours is to work after day 18. Those trips are assigned in seniority order.

After 17 days of flying all nighters, and sleeping at the Hyatt Place eating powdered eggs, and Seattle’s 2nd best coffee- you want to get the hell away from the CVG hub.

I assure you, you won’t be working any OT.

For more insight. Check out the @giantcomms twitter feed.

Email from APC......




Good news for Southern Air.
???Great news for Southern Air pilots.
June 13, 2019 - Union Ordered to Promptly Participate in Merger Process for New Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement
Positive Step Toward Company's Goal of Increasing Pilot Pay as Soon as Possible
PURCHASE, N.Y. - Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. (Nasdaq: AAWW) today confirmed that its subsidiary, Southern Air, Inc., has prevailed in an important arbitration against the union that represents Southern Air's pilots, the Airline Professionals Association, Teamsters Local 1224.
The June 12, 2019, arbitration decision orders the union to promptly proceed with contractually required negotiations for a new joint collective bargaining agreement (JCBA) in connection with the merger of Southern Air and Atlas Air, Inc. While union leaders have extensively said publicly that the company has delayed negotiations, the decision states that:
"We can conclude with some certainty, however, that there has been a delay inspired by the Union's misapprehension of the contractual requirements and that they must now respond vigorously to the Company's request to proceed."
This is a positive step in the company's goal of completing a new JCBA that increases pay for Southern Air and Atlas Air pilots as soon as possible.
"Had the union leaders honored their contractual commitments when we announced the merger back in 2016, Southern Air and Atlas Air pilots would have already had their new contract - and a pay increase - by now," said Atlas Air Worldwide President and Chief Executive Officer William J. Flynn. "We hope the union will agree that it is time to end unnecessary delays and make progress for our pilots.
"We value the dedication of our crews, and we look forward to further recognize their significant contributions to the development and growth of our business. We are committed to working with the union for a JCBA that enhances overall pay and benefits for our more than 2,000 Southern Air and Atlas Air pilots."
For more information about the arbitration decision, the contract negotiations process and future updates, please visit AtlasAir5YPilots.com and follow Air5Y on Twitter.


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Ever wonder why Delta, Fed, UPS and nearly all other airlines don’t do this.

MGMT is so desperate for pilots, and so desperate to not raise pay- they have resorted to these desperate emails.

Ask yourself why ?

Listen your welcome to apply, show up in Miami, spend 90 days in training,

Complete OE.

Then bid a line, and say wait. I’m only getting 62 hours ? That’s right. Boys at Mesa Airlines are getting 75 and they get some super chill flight attendant, asking you what are you doing tonight.

CVG- You get Rhonda the load master in her Brown Dickies.

It was like pulling teeth just trying to get Atlas management to agree to pay parity for the Southern pilots. The Southern pilots asked for this starting 3 years ago and up until June 1, 2019 did not have full parity with their Atlas brethren. Now Atlas management spins it like it was their idea and they were happy to provide this. This battle is far, far from over for anyone thinking it will be resolved soon.

If you are thinking of applying here re-read boeingdvr’s first post in this thread. History usually repeats.

This is them trying to placate Amazon that it’s the pilots, not them.

boeingdvr, why do so many of your posts involve immature, offensive comments about sleeping around+women? You're like a pathetic college student. Believe it or not, having a healthy, supportive, loving relationship will always be better than the trash you talk about. Or being single and living a fulfilling life pursuing hobbies and working on self growth will always be better than the trash you talk about.
Grow up and stop filling the forums with garbage. There's nothing "cool" about a life that consists of paying for happy endings and empty hookups because you're bored and want companionship. It's trashy and disgusting.

Boeingdrvr seems to have ****ed off a snowflake.

Roger that my man. Just passing along what I hear from the old whale drivers.

Roger that my man. Just passing along what I hear from the old whale drivers.

Or an Evangelist. Keep it up!!!

?.... I'm a happily married man and I love my wife... Prior to meeting her I sure enjoyed hooking up with attractive single chicks... If you're morally opposed to that then be you. If prostitutes are your thing (not my bag but)... As long as it's a consenting prostitute and it's legal then be you.

Why would you think it necessary to write these things. Do you think that because someone writes a derogatory comment that everyone reading it agrees with it? Do you really think that those who don’t chastise someone who writes these things either agree or practices the same behavior? Perhaps it is you who should grow up and not lecture others when you live in a glass house

These are the guys you sit down next to and within 10 minutes it becomes clear that it's going to be a looooooooong pairing. "Hey, tell me again about your views on potty mouths and fornicators, Reverend, I was over here having sinful thoughts."

Sorry I didn't mean any harm. Youre right and no I don't think others agree. I just wanted to be a different perspective for others reading. Just a reminder to whoever passes through here that not everyone shares those thoughts. Safe flying.

The whole point of flying international is too have fun. Let’s get back too show me the money part of this forum

Oh come on man. I like to do at least 25 day per month. Company hero! We’ll have a new contract any day now. Someone else will carry my water for me. Attrition will solve all our problems. No need for me to do anything but serve myself.

Then why are you still at Atlas? If you're not happy then why not just leave? Oh that's right because it works for you.

That's because no one listens to his bs on the Atlas forums so now he's moving onto Southern.

Ding ding ding ...
That's the one hundredth time that inane question has been asked so you win the "redundant question of the year" award for being (hopefully) the last person to come up with this sly retort!!

You come to the Atlas / Southern threads and ask for opinions about working here and then post snippy remarks to the folks who take the time to give you their honest feelings about our current state of affairs.

If you don't like what Atlas/Southern pilots say here, why are you still reading this thread? Why not just leave?

You guys at Southern/Atlas should write a book on how to make a fellow pilot feel welcome. For some of us these fly by night cargo operations work in our life style bad marriage sick of 4 sectors a day on a Airbus for the last 12 years not everything is money. Why not Fedex UPS oh because I haven’t gotten a call that’s why.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

Just as you could tell prospective candidates to the airline you work for to beware of what it's really like, that is what people are doing here.

And neither have we quite obviously, otherwise we wouldn't be here trying to ward people off from the abuse of possibly the most contentious management group in aviation.

You seem like an intelligent person. I hope this post is out of ignorance and not reflective of how you have gone about compiling information regarding AAWW. Have you ever thought of PM’ing a pilot who doesn’t put the company down as much? Also PM pilots who do, and have an honest conversation with them. Phone calls would work best.

I would bet that very few, if any, of the caustic remarks you read on here are written by true jerks. They are written by rightfully very frustrated individuals who at their core, are professional pilots and probably good people.

You may find after you investigate that you will steer a wide path around AAWW or, perhaps given your situation, decide it is worth the risk. Do your homework before coming on here and bashing pilots who are working under the most frustrating conditions that they have experienced in their careers.

Great post. AAWW can work for some but most I talk to have better options to...

New hire still in training for 737 Southern
 

I was told you get paid highest of all trip rig/ Min / actual flow. I was able to see actual bid packed and most of the lines had min 63 hrs trip rig!! So why would any new line holder make less than 63 hrs + per?

IF you get a whopping 63 hours to work 17 days. You get 63 hours.

We have 3 737-800s. I’m hearing the 737 program is being scraped due to lack of crews, thus triggering the furlough we have all been hearing. Mgmt is apparently attempting to outcource the 737 program.

Mgmt will furlough, and outcource the flying before they pay us more.

Come see for yourself.

According to the rumor, does the program that is being "scrapped" include the 6 737-400s that have been flying for DHL for a couple of years?

While anything is of course possible, I am unclear as to why and/or how Amazon would permit Southern to "outsource" the 737-800 flying. The aircraft are leased by Amazon from GECAS, and are being placed with Southern only for the purpose of operating them. In other words, AAWW only gets the CMI component. Amazon has no need for a middleman in the form of Southern if the actual flying is to be performed by some other carrier; Amazon could just terminate the CMI contracts for convenience and shift the flying to another carrier. (The only wrinkle might be the regulatory reasons for the capital investment by Amazon in AAWW; otherwise this idea makes no sense. Of course, Southern could outsource the 737-400s and use its pilots to fly the 737-800 program -- but they would then still need more pilots down the road.)

Easy lots of times people get awarded lines up to even 83 but there’s no line guarantee so it’s what you end up flying or rigging or min. Going from 78 to 50 can and does happen via schedule change, sick call, training, home reserve, what ever. nothing but 50 for a new hire is ever guaranteed.

From what I’ve been told. The DHL 737s have been around forever. It’s the new amazon contract. There 2 airplanes sitting in VQQ right now - ready to go. But Atlas can’t staff it. The 3 birds flying right now are suffering from delays according to the flight track software “ crew delays, crew scheduling, and delay yet to be determined”

It’s clear to Amazon we have labor issues, a crash, and massive delays- we are unable to fly the 3 we have on time - let alone 20.

Staffing issues. Lol. Does this include the guys from my class sitting OE R1 for two months and not even touching the planes, yet? (Kidding, sort of)

On a serious note, rumor I heard was -400’s leaving so pilots can staff -800 flying to keep Amazon (their primary customer for now) happy.

Fourth bird has apparently been released to the line and the last sitting in wherever.

Regardless, the new Southern 737-800 operation has been basically on-time this week, which is a big improvement.

And you are correct, the 4th (5167A) is in TPA. The 5th (5179A) is at VQQ, I believe (where Atlas has a lot of maintenance and induction done).

The problem with the rumor of AAWW dumping the operation of DHL 737s to take Amazon 737s is that DHL is a very-significant customer of Atlas Air, who AAWW would probably also like to keep happy. I didn't look at the latest numbers, but isn't it something like 12 747s and 11 767s that Atlas operates for DHL, plus leasing a few other aircraft to DHL from Titan?

Basically on time this week.. Lol. Gotta love the expectations around here. Give it a day, a 12 hour crew delay is imminent.

Back log for OE. Undoubtedly the FAA is up everyone’s a$$ and we can’t pump these guys through or promote more LCA’s.

The 737 program is going to get scrap if Atlas can’t figure this out. This is why we only have 3 birds and the others are portioned out at a very very slow rate over many years.

The 767 program took about 3 years and it had the benefit of better times (2016-18)and higher pay than the 737.