Originally Posted by zerozero (Post 2916137)

I see you're an "ex" cargo dog. So I presume you "just left".

How nice.

But it reminds me of an encounter I had during an informational picket. A fat middle aged guy on a scooter tooled over to chat with me, a uniformed airline pilot, holding a picket sign.

He asked, "What's this all about?"

I gave my elevator pitch, "We're the pilots who fly for Amazon, DHL and the U.S. military trying to build awareness of our situation during contract negotiations."

Fat middle aged guy on a scooter answered, "So you're a union?"

"Yup."

He shoots back, "Get another job," and scooted off while looking over his shoulder at me.

Moral of the story: I EXPECT such cr&p from stupid outsiders. I don't expect it from fellow crew members.

Does it make sense for younger, junior guys to leave Atlas/Southern? Absolutely yes, in this job market.

It's not so easy for us older, more senior types. After all, if we older, more senior types don't fight for better working conditions in this hiring environment, then we're just allowing the bean counters to expedite the race to the bottom.

You're welcome.

Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville (Post 2916188)

That is right! To further your point...

"Just Leave"

I would have to ask, "Leave to go where?" Are you suggesting to leave for another airline where the pilot group already went through this sort of thing? So, in other words, let someone else do your heavy lifting.

What would it be like if everyone felt that way and acted accordingly? Would there be any place good to go work at? Would the airline pilot profession be a profession at all?

Originally Posted by Elevation (Post 2916610)

Most of the investor-class in this country are anti-union to one degree or another. So while it's maddening to hear folks say "Just leave" or "You're at Atlas because you can't go anywhere else (Implying you're only worth a fraction of what other pilots are worth)", these are the personalities we have to recruit.

Perhaps framing our efforts in terms of an effort to help grow and right this place might be the pathway forward? First, it's true. We're trying to fix and grow this place for the benefit of all, including shareholders and managers. Second, it accelerates the process of putting shareholders on our side rather than seeing us as an enemy of profits.

There's a pretty direct line between safety issues and failure to grow. There's a pretty direct line between staffing issues an failure to grow/perform, too.

If we can illustrate that to the shareholders and maintain credibility we might get

a lot more leverage to improve and build this company. Of course, I could be stupid. I'm probably stupid.

Originally Posted by zerozero (Post 2916689)

Great comments from Knoxville, Elevation and Atrasaty.

The problem is, that all assumes the execs truly WANT to run a company.

I'm not sure they do.

Originally Posted by zerozero (Post 2916689)

Great comments from Knoxville, Elevation and Atrasaty.

The problem is, that all assumes the execs truly WANT to run a company.

I'm not sure they do.

Originally Posted by sandman22 (Post 2916698)

The board should give the executive positions to people who actually want to run a company and airline and make money for the shareholders.

But I guess that makes too much sense...

Originally Posted by Atrasaty (Post 2916703)

Nail head... Meet hammer. I couldn't agree more and have stated here repeatedly that this whole fight is about scope and the ability for our dark overlords in Purchase to enrich themselves at the expense of the pilots, employees and stockholders of AAWH. The owners of this company aka "the shareholders" need to be asking why their investment is dwindling for NO apparent reason when others are capitalizing at theirs and our expense. What we have is a corporate raid from within our own ranks. A mutant virus on the top floor in Purchase.

Originally Posted by zerozero (Post 2916137)

I see you're an "ex" cargo dog. So I presume you "just left".

How nice.

But it reminds me of an encounter I had during an informational picket. A fat middle aged guy on a scooter tooled over to chat with me, a uniformed airline pilot, holding a picket sign.

He asked, "What's this all about?"

I gave my elevator pitch, "We're the pilots who fly for Amazon, DHL and the U.S. military trying to build awareness of our situation during contract negotiations."

Fat middle aged guy on a scooter answered, "So you're a union?"

"Yup."

He shoots back, "Get another job," and scooted off while looking over his shoulder at me.

Moral of the story: I EXPECT such cr&p from stupid outsiders. I don't expect it from fellow crew members.

Does it make sense for younger, junior guys to leave Atlas/Southern? Absolutely yes, in this job market.

It's not so easy for us older, more senior types. After all, if we older, more senior types don't fight for better working conditions in this hiring environment, then we're just allowing the bean counters to expedite the race to the bottom.

You're welcome.