GT 3591 and Atlas Managment
Atlas managements spin: It's not our fault. If we would have had the magical data base this would have never happened. We had no way of knowing that this pilot was incompetent.
This is not an attack by me on the pilots of Atlas. Many airlines have pilots with poor records hiding in plain sight. Hopefully this accident will make it harder for those people to move from job to job and incompetent management to hire any warm body. The lawsuits just got a whole lot uglier. Thank God it wasn't a 763 with 200+ soldiers on board. https://abc13.com/pilot-in-atlas-cra...-says/6317054/ |
Originally Posted by sky jet
(Post 3092406)
Atlas managements spin: It's not our fault. If we would have had the magical data base this would have never happened. We had no way of knowing that this pilot was incompetent.
This is not an attack by me on the pilots of Atlas. Many airlines have pilots with poor records hiding in plain sight. Hopefully this accident will make it harder for those people to move from job to job and incompetent management to hire any warm body. The lawsuits just got a whole lot uglier. Thank God it wasn't a 763 with 200+ soldiers on board. https://abc13.com/pilot-in-atlas-cra...-says/6317054/ |
Originally Posted by JonGoodsell764
(Post 3092451)
let alone a 500,000lbs 767 airliner.
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
(Post 3092544)
Even knowing what they knew about recent failures I'm shocked this pilot was hired. I don't know if it can only be blamed on Atlas management, however.
My wife was a military pilot before she went into medicine. When she saw minority pilots such as this FO it POed her to no end. "That's why I have to work twice as hard. Because of dumb ^&%es like that." Same when she went into medicine. She saw a couple of female residents passed along who didn't belong in a hospital much less an OR. But... the white dudes in charge were afraid. So they passed them along. |
Originally Posted by Shadre Reevis
(Post 3092757)
There are plenty of qualified
Choosing applicants by any criteria other than their flight-related knowledge, skills, and ability causes bad things to happen. |
Originally Posted by Winston
(Post 3092761)
Fixed that for you.
Choosing applicants by any criteria other than their flight-related knowledge, skills, and ability causes bad things to happen. |
Guys, guys- Atlas management is doing everything in their power to provide us with the industry standard contract that we deserve. You just don't see the big picture. There is a process... :D
It was bad enough that they hired him, but worse that they did not fire him when they had multiple opportunities. The boys in the elite corporate club will avoid any blame. They have lawyers to ensure that. What I want to know is how do they sleep at night? I guess on a mattress filled with $. |
Are you DB with HR? Who in Atlas management are you?
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Ultimately, it is J.D.'s fault. He is the ship captain, he was in charge of negotiations when he was the COO. His decisions about circumventing Section 06 and having a toxic attitude towards the pilots caused the "brain drain" and the decision to hire people that have little in the way of previous experience. They needed to fill classes come hell or high water. There was a lot of pressure to get bodies out onto the line to fulfill the executive promises to Amazon. Big bonuses were received for filling seats. He made a lot of money. The rest of us are just expendable.
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Originally Posted by White Cap
(Post 3093085)
Ultimately, it is J.D.'s fault. He is the ship captain, he was in charge of negotiations when he was the COO. His decisions about circumventing Section 06 and having a toxic attitude towards the pilots caused the "brain drain" and the decision to hire people that have little in the way of previous experience. They needed to fill classes come hell or high water. There was a lot of pressure to get bodies out onto the line to fulfill the executive promises to Amazon. Big bonuses were received for filling seats. He made a lot of money. The rest of us are just expendable.
Instructors and Check Airmen went along with things. When it comes to adopting improved training and safety practices we in the union frequently say "Well, the company said no, so there was nothing we could do." when in fact we had a number of proposals were held up in the executive council. As individuals we covered for each other. As a collective both in management and in the union we used to speak highly of the people who passed this FO onward, and we used to say the DE who failed him was a persnickety nerd. This is why the first 6 months after a fatal crash you see the best in people. After that you see the worst. People with experience dealing with other, fatal crashes will know that there's a role for advocacy during investigations. A union's role is to advocate for full truth. So all the grand statements, pins and memorials when people are paying attention amount to nothing. What matters are the decisions made when it comes time to put your promotion on the line. As an example, a lot of work from the pilots and others went into the investigation around Eagle 4184. For this crash, what did we really do? The Exco member in charge of safety quietly applied for an assistant chief pilot position during this investigation. We'll say that this person's character would never let him compromise our pilots' interests. Let's get real. Regardless, this investigation is done. The time for outrage and vigor was 2 years ago. Now's the time to look forward. We failed each other here. Let's get ahead of the next crash. |
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