New contract in the works?
04-30-2022, 01:41 PM
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My thoughts exactly. How many years did they lie to every potential candidate & new-hire claiming a new contract by Thanksgiving Xmas/Easter/insert month or holiday here? It’s all about wether they are satisfied or not with the hiring/attrition numbers. If JD gets sad again then maybe. If not then forget about it.
05-01-2022, 05:46 PM
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Maybe when CBA 2031 is signed. Until then that’s likely some rumor the Training Center is spreading around to the new hire and recurrent classes. Standard psyops for Atlas management to “Keep the Indians on the reservation” a little while longer with false hope. The Training Center that was telling everyone for 6 years “a CBA comparable to American Airlines is just around the corner!”. American Eagle would have been more accurate. We’re plus 18 bodies for the year, so as long as hiring outpaces attrition there won’t be any further improvements greater than the better pillow and blankets they’re now rolling out after 30 years of operation.
05-01-2022, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbine1
Maybe when CBA 2031 is signed. Until then that’s likely some rumor the Training Center is spreading around to the new hire and recurrent classes. Standard psyops for Atlas management to “Keep the Indians on the reservation” a little while longer with false hope. The Training Center that was telling everyone for 6 years “a CBA comparable to American Airlines is just around the corner!”. American Eagle would have been more accurate. We’re plus 18 bodies for the year, so as long as hiring outpaces attrition there won’t be any further improvements greater than the better pillow and blankets they’re now rolling out after 30 years of operation.
05-01-2022, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
They are getting rid of Maxwell House. That is a huge QOL leap.
Agree, until we lose more than we hire doubtful things will change much.
05-02-2022, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawkerdriver1
Hi,
I heard a new contract may be in the offing: 17/13 to 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off & pay; among other things.
These rotation changes would mitigate the loss of traveling on days off & more closely match Kalitta & National. A huge improvement if true.
HD
I heard a new contract may be in the offing: 17/13 to 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off & pay; among other things.
These rotation changes would mitigate the loss of traveling on days off & more closely match Kalitta & National. A huge improvement if true.
HD
There is absolutely zero chance of this happening. The company never budged off of a 17 day work schedule during negotiations and arbitration. That won’t change now. They may build some lines with less than 17 days…but they won’t give up the ability to max us out at 17(plus allowed involuntary extensions).
The economy is very likely approaching a significant recession. Inflation is at record high levels, the fed is pushing the interest rates 5-6 times this year, the housing market has been on fire but is now cooling very rapidly just in the past couple months. People are worried. The next couple years will probably be rough.
I don’t doubt Atlas management sees all this coming and is hedging their bet that people will travel less, passenger airlines will fly less, therefore hire less. More pilots will come to Atlas/Kalitta and other ACMI airlines that typically do very well during recessions. The result would be less attrition and more applicants.
The way it is now at Atlas is the way it will be until the next CBA, which is likely 8-10 years from now.
05-02-2022, 07:41 AM
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This is fantastic. It’s taken 20 years to get what we have now. Now mgmt is going to give us what we think we want, and make this a destination airline. Please. But hey, like I’ve always said, if you don’t believe us, and our first hand, boots on the ground experience- come see for yourself
05-02-2022, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by akfrtdwg 57
Thats a crazy enough rumor. From the Union President on the crew call a couple days ago. The company has not approached the Union about making any further improvements to the current contract except for the adjustments which became effective 1 Jan. However he said his belief is they still aren’t satisfied with the retention rates. Currently we are +18 or something for the year. He said he thinks they’ll probably try to make more adjustments this year. I highly doubt it. I think they’ll give it the year to see how attrition goes. Given Art 33 just dried up though, I don’t see as much incentive for people to stick around. So who really knows in the end how this will pan out. Don’t hold your breath and you won’t be disappointed. Are you even on property yet or on the line?
HD
05-02-2022, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HPIC
Did they tell you that at your interview? I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.
There is absolutely zero chance of this happening. The company never budged off of a 17 day work schedule during negotiations and arbitration. That won’t change now. They may build some lines with less than 17 days…but they won’t give up the ability to max us out at 17(plus allowed involuntary extensions).
The economy is very likely approaching a significant recession. Inflation is at record high levels, the fed is pushing the interest rates 5-6 times this year, the housing market has been on fire but is now cooling very rapidly just in the past couple months. People are worried. The next couple years will probably be rough.
I don’t doubt Atlas management sees all this coming and is hedging their bet that people will travel less, passenger airlines will fly less, therefore hire less. More pilots will come to Atlas/Kalitta and other ACMI airlines that typically do very well during recessions. The result would be less attrition and more applicants.
The way it is now at Atlas is the way it will be until the next CBA, which is likely 8-10 years from now.
There is absolutely zero chance of this happening. The company never budged off of a 17 day work schedule during negotiations and arbitration. That won’t change now. They may build some lines with less than 17 days…but they won’t give up the ability to max us out at 17(plus allowed involuntary extensions).
The economy is very likely approaching a significant recession. Inflation is at record high levels, the fed is pushing the interest rates 5-6 times this year, the housing market has been on fire but is now cooling very rapidly just in the past couple months. People are worried. The next couple years will probably be rough.
I don’t doubt Atlas management sees all this coming and is hedging their bet that people will travel less, passenger airlines will fly less, therefore hire less. More pilots will come to Atlas/Kalitta and other ACMI airlines that typically do very well during recessions. The result would be less attrition and more applicants.
The way it is now at Atlas is the way it will be until the next CBA, which is likely 8-10 years from now.
HD
05-02-2022, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by HPIC
Did they tell you that at your interview? I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.
There is absolutely zero chance of this happening. The company never budged off of a 17 day work schedule during negotiations and arbitration. That won’t change now. They may build some lines with less than 17 days…but they won’t give up the ability to max us out at 17(plus allowed involuntary extensions).
The economy is very likely approaching a significant recession. Inflation is at record high levels, the fed is pushing the interest rates 5-6 times this year, the housing market has been on fire but is now cooling very rapidly just in the past couple months. People are worried. The next couple years will probably be rough.
I don’t doubt Atlas management sees all this coming and is hedging their bet that people will travel less, passenger airlines will fly less, therefore hire less. More pilots will come to Atlas/Kalitta and other ACMI airlines that typically do very well during recessions. The result would be less attrition and more applicants.
The way it is now at Atlas is the way it will be until the next CBA, which is likely 8-10 years from now.
There is absolutely zero chance of this happening. The company never budged off of a 17 day work schedule during negotiations and arbitration. That won’t change now. They may build some lines with less than 17 days…but they won’t give up the ability to max us out at 17(plus allowed involuntary extensions).
The economy is very likely approaching a significant recession. Inflation is at record high levels, the fed is pushing the interest rates 5-6 times this year, the housing market has been on fire but is now cooling very rapidly just in the past couple months. People are worried. The next couple years will probably be rough.
I don’t doubt Atlas management sees all this coming and is hedging their bet that people will travel less, passenger airlines will fly less, therefore hire less. More pilots will come to Atlas/Kalitta and other ACMI airlines that typically do very well during recessions. The result would be less attrition and more applicants.
The way it is now at Atlas is the way it will be until the next CBA, which is likely 8-10 years from now.
05-02-2022, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Atlasvet
There is nobody in the interview phase making up lies about the contract. The interview panels are staffed with union folks, retired Check Airman, Chief Pilot types and HR folks who don’t know much if anything about the contract. None of these people have anything to gain by making ridiculous claims about contracts. The crew force does well enough churning silly rumors, no need to stoke the fire while recruiting.
When I interviewed the better part of a decade ago I was told a bunch of BS that never materialized. That was long before negotiations even started. This is not a new phenomena with Atlas.
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