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Old 05-24-2022, 07:53 AM
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The freight market will likely remain strong longer than the pilot labor market, but one day that will end too--most likely after China opens and the backlog in the entire supply chain is sorted out.
Big heads are talking about global supply restructuring too. Time will tell whether it's just noise or the start of big restructuring of global logistics. Things will change.
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Old 05-24-2022, 09:25 AM
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Big heads are talking about global supply restructuring too. Time will tell whether it's just noise or the start of big restructuring of global logistics. Things will change.
Yeah.
Time to start IN SOURCING, as a matter of national security. But that will take a generation or two. Just like it took 30 years of OFF SHORING to wreck our economy.
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Old 05-24-2022, 02:39 PM
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Time to start IN SOURCING, as a matter of national security. But that will take a generation or two. Just like it took 30 years of OFF SHORING to wreck our economy.
‘It’s been time to do that a long time ago but the supply chain disruption is forcing those changes now…
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Old 05-24-2022, 07:41 PM
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Thanks for further expounding upon the industry method/situation SealingStemBolt. Fortunate to have re-energized this thread (only 2 weeks) which further highlights various outcomes and great insight provided by zerozero, Elevation, Swakid8 and thrustisamust - greatly appreciated. Excellent advice to always be prepared as best you can for what may lie ahead or unforeseen events if you will. Change is inevitable however it may arise. Prepare for the Upset Recovery…
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Old 05-25-2022, 03:10 AM
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1.6 is not 2, Last month was 1.4/day, and this month seems to be trending down still. Sounds small, but it's a 150 pilot difference in a year. That is not a small difference.

It will be interesting to see what effect the Article 33 reduction has on those numbers.
We are actually showing 20 for this month which is .8/day and definitely not 2. As many have stated it will be interesting to see where the trend goes.
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30 years for me, thick skin I have, thanks for your service, I was just trying to deliver the rumors here! Looks like Fed Ex is wanting to reopen their contract, their attrition in 75% less than ours, why not us?
Just to clear the air, the attrition from FedEx the aging of the force. We are looking at a 40% turnover in the next few years and if you are curious have hired many Atlas pilots. I personally know one who upgraded after 4 years and could have upgraded sooner but waited until he could hold the left seat in either a LAX or OAK base. He is now a Mad Dog Captain in Oakland. Big plus as a junior seniority pilot, we don't furlough.
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Originally Posted by zerozero View Post
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Time to start IN SOURCING, as a matter of national security. But that will take a generation or two. Just like it took 30 years of OFF SHORING to wreck our economy.
True. The PRC uses all their industries and investments for strategic aims. Artificial pricing (pegging the Yuan to the dollar) and dumping kills our industry. Investment in media controls narratives (Disney sucks.). Investment in real estate is even affecting housing prices, farmers, etc. I can rant on, but we agree. So what could this mean for pilots?

Here's my deeply uninformed thought: The future is unpredictable, but it's good to think of possibilities. There's a future where we maintain the status quo, a future where global logistics remain globalized but reorganized away from China and a future where we do, in fact, bring manufacturing on shore. All scenarios take at least five years to start and decades to play out. Resolution on these issues is very, very fuzzy. So these thoughts only apply to the roughest and broadest of decisions. The deeper we delve into possibilities the closer we come to writing a science-fiction novel. It makes me really appreciate my ability to be surprised and value resilience over prescience.
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Originally Posted by 3pointlanding View Post
Just to clear the air, the attrition from FedEx the aging of the force. We are looking at a 40% turnover in the next few years and if you are curious have hired many Atlas pilots. I personally know one who upgraded after 4 years and could have upgraded sooner but waited until he could hold the left seat in either a LAX or OAK base. He is now a Mad Dog Captain in Oakland. Big plus as a junior seniority pilot, we don't furlough.
True, we have been the grooming grounds for Purple and Brown predominantly for decades now. Big 3 and the LCC’s have poached more and more this past decade and especially now. My buddy upgraded to left seat in 9 months at Purple, granted it was the move to HKG that accelerated this many moons ago well before the viral debacle. Curiously, what is a “Mad Dog” at Purple?
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Originally Posted by C17B74 View Post
True, we have been the grooming grounds for Purple and Brown predominantly for decades now. Big 3 and the LCC’s have poached more and more this past decade and especially now. My buddy upgraded to left seat in 9 months at Purple, granted it was the move to HKG that accelerated this many moons ago well before the viral debacle. Curiously, what is a “Mad Dog” at Purple?
Mad Dog = MD-11, but we don’t have an MD-11 base in OAK and the MD-11 base in LAX is extremely senior on the captain side.
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Mad Dog = MD-11, but we don’t have an MD-11 base in OAK and the MD-11 base in LAX is extremely senior on the captain side.
Sorry I meant to say the 767 on OAK not the MD11. He just started ground school. For the record he was a FO at LAX after 3 years. Low on the totem pole of course. He will be in the mid 50s at OAK.
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