CRJJ

3 year FO, 12 days ON, $300K+. Cool story bro

dera

Show your math. 135-ish hours of credit per month in 12-14 days?

SealingStemBolt

So why are you posting here?

APCbot

I guess I could call him and have him show me the math.

APCbot

Only because I found Dera's comment on leaving for another airline ridiculous. But I guess Atlas Pilots are making more than I thought.

dera

I wasn't calling out BS on it, I know UPS guys make a lot right now. I was just curious how it works out there.

For us right now (and before someone comments, yes I know this will end at some point), averaging 130-140 hours of credit is pretty easy on the 747 without working any overtime. If you don't like your family, you can easily hit 200 hours/month. Year 3 747 FO makes 170/hr. So that's 265k right there for year 3 FO by working your line most of the months and going crazy couple times a year.

And a few examples, this year my best money / QOL month so far has been 184 hours of credit for 16 days home. Best credit was 230 hours, and best QOL was 22 days off. Haven't used any vacation or sick time for any of those months, just the way I bid things.

atpcliff

Money is a concept. You can't use it to be satisfied with your life.

I had the chance to apply to UPS previously to coming here. You would get ANC, and then have to commute there. The UPS pilots I knew all hated it, I didn't want to move to ANC, or try and commute there, and I didn't want to do hub turns...I had done a number of those, for about everyone with a hub...not my favorite. I didn't apply at UPS.
I was here 6mos? 1 year? My buddies at FedEx called and asked if I wanted help moving to FedEx. I told them I'd rather stay here at Atlas.

Anyone that leaves their job for more money? I understand that reasoning, For me, if I have "enough" money, then more is only marginally helpful.

Anyone that leaves Atlas, hoping for a better situation? I hope they get what they want.

C17B74

Awesome and there is no doubt many push at these outfits doing AVA, Draft, or whatever they call it = Overtime. Schedules are vastly different on different equipment and $ earned in different ways hard and soft totally get it. Math is math but the intangible aspects of those operations is what is overlooked. Sort flying, reduced layovers, anything fatigue related. Priorities in life are driving factors for each individual and there are many devils to sell your soul with for $ alone or anything else for that matter. 12-14 days getting your rear kicked ain’t nothing to sneeze at.
Referencing just a touch on the Brown forum: “You only really see clean week on, week off lines on the domestic fleets in the form of night hub flying (“nite sort”). Long haul is most often 14 days (out of 28) broken into 2-3 work blocks of varying days: 11&3, 8&6, 6&5&3, etc.”
Not to say we don’t have our moments but I am not normally wiped out at the end of a pattern with some decent layovers, etc. but ready to be home to be sure even doing less than 17 day schedules which admittedly is a senior moment opportunity but seems to be getting better for many in this group. Not a 3yr FO by any means but headed to the 300 mark but honestly probably won’t break it. Do some overtime definitely doable. (Only because of art33, definitely less without it so there’s that.)
*Now you have me thinking since the art33 won’t be forever - maybe I will dabble in some OT for the first time ever since I’m actually bored.

*Can’t say enough about not searching for “loads” regarding jump-seating or reservations when I finish a pattern and it’s either already booked or I just say “book me a chair Tanya or Tim Travel. Maybe we don’t benefit from “Truck Travel” or Package Car like Brown or was it Purple, but I kid you not it’s scrolling heavy on their forum. Wow, that’s a new one at least for me. Keep your bag on your lap and bring doughnuts - are you kidding me… They make enuff clams don’t they…

C17B74

^^^^^^Very Well Stated^^^^^^
Everyone is different and I wish everyone the best on their endeavors and what drives them. Every year for over a decade I have great friends of mine at Brown/Purple always offering to help carry me over the threshold to their pastures for which I am grateful, but they understand when I call for that liftoff it will be when this place loses the priorities that have originally been met and I am willing to start elsewhere in the salt mines and accept my fate. Just me, it’s been a blast, who knows what the future holds and I can only hope it continues. I hope everyone finds their Dream career!

NoJoy

This is also very well said! I like it here at Atlas too much to really make a push to move on.
(ie, too comfortable, especially on the 747)

When I retire in 15 years. I will look back and hopefully say I made the tight decision-