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Old 09-06-2023, 04:04 AM
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How does living abroad work with atlas and the schedule?

As a new hire could I live abroad, but still within say a couple hours from a base, and swing like a week on week off, or two weeks on two weeks off type of deal

Trying to make this 121 thing make sense, seems living outside of the US for the first 5 or so years might make the initial money thing manageable


This doable?
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Old 09-06-2023, 04:56 AM
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How does living abroad work with atlas and the schedule?

As a new hire could I live abroad, but still within say a couple hours from a base, and swing like a week on week off, or two weeks on two weeks off type of deal

Trying to make this 121 thing make sense, seems living outside of the US for the first 5 or so years might make the initial money thing manageable


This doable?
I can't speak from personal experience, but there are quite a few here that commute from overseas. You have to get yourself to the states before they will gateway you to your base. I can only speak for the 767, but the schedules tend to be either 17 on/13 off, or something like 9 on/6 off, 8 on/7 off. If commuting internationally, you will almost certainly have to come in on day 0, losing more time at home. As I understand it, National has true international homebasing with a 17/13 schedule, probably a better option for living overseas and not losing your sanity.
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I can't speak from personal experience, but there are quite a few here that commute from overseas. You have to get yourself to the states before they will gateway you to your base. I can only speak for the 767, but the schedules tend to be either 17 on/13 off, or something like 9 on/6 off, 8 on/7 off. If commuting internationally, you will almost certainly have to come in on day 0, losing more time at home. As I understand it, National has true international homebasing with a 17/13 schedule, probably a better option for living overseas and not losing your sanity.

Shoot, so even if it’s a ticket the same price as most domestic, I’d have to pay out of pocket to get across the boarder?

I read they have privileges with other airlines, could I use that? I don’t mind paying 50-100bucks a hitch, but $500 for full retail price when I’d already be low pay would be tuff

Just trying to figure a way to make the first 5 or so year financially sustainable from a quality of life standpoint, it’s hard to get the numbers to work in anywhere BOTH me and my woman would find livable in the US

I dont do the crime ridden “vibrant” crap hole cities
She needs a place where she can still get her hair done and go out to a fancy dinner from time to time
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Old 09-06-2023, 06:18 AM
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Shoot, so even if itís a ticket the same price as most domestic, Iíd have to pay out of pocket to get across the boarder?

I read they have privileges with other airlines, could I use that? I donít mind paying 50-100bucks a hitch, but $500 for full retail price when Iíd already be low pay would be tuff

Just trying to figure a way to make the first 5 or so year financially sustainable from a quality of life standpoint, itís hard to get the numbers to work in anywhere BOTH me and my woman would find livable in the US

I dont do the crime ridden ďvibrantĒ crap hole cities
She needs a place where she can still get her hair done and go out to a fancy dinner from time to time
Plenty of places in the US that you can live on with 1st year FO pay. Plenty of people have done and will do it. Up to you to figure out why you cannot.
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Plenty of places in the US that you can live on with 1st year FO pay. Plenty of people have done and will do it. Up to you to figure out why you cannot.

Oh I could LIVE on $500 a month, but that’s not the point

Heck plenty of people also live with roommates or in the back of a van


Its been a long time since I was a CFI paying dues, at this stage of my career living is unsat, thriving is the standard

I like to go out to eat and quality food, I like a nice place to live and spread out, I need a garage for my cars, enjoy some vacations, got some expensive hobbies, etc
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Oh I could LIVE on $500 a month, but thatís not the point

Heck plenty of people also live with roommates or in the back of a van


Its been a long time since I was a CFI paying dues, at this stage of my career living is unsat, thriving is the standard

I like to go out to eat and quality food, I like a nice place to live and spread out, I need a garage for my cars, enjoy some vacations, got some expensive hobbies, etc
Go to a regional then if year 1 pay is an issue. Their bonuses make it livable.
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Oh I could LIVE on $500 a month, but thatís not the point

Heck plenty of people also live with roommates or in the back of a van


Its been a long time since I was a CFI paying dues, at this stage of my career living is unsat, thriving is the standard

I like to go out to eat and quality food, I like a nice place to live and spread out, I need a garage for my cars, enjoy some vacations, got some expensive hobbies, etc
Any 121 you go to you'll have to suffer through "low pay" for the first few years.
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Any 121 you go to you'll have to suffer through "low pay" for the first few years.

Hence the question
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Old 09-06-2023, 09:45 AM
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Hence the question
Just pay for the tickets to/from work. Makes life a lot easier for you. You save a ton in taxes after the foreign income exclusion anyway.
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Just pay for the tickets to/from work. Makes life a lot easier for you. You save a ton in taxes after the foreign income exclusion anyway.
Youíre saying someone can claim FEIE while working for a US company and commuting to the US for work? If youíre actually doing that I hope you never get audited.
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