HPIC

Relax, Francis. That’s just an old screenshot on the public information part of our union website. It hasn’t been updated. The CBA charts have been updated after the AIP and shows all first year FO pay as $92/hr and min guarantee during training.

zeruela

Is the year 2 still 129 on the CBA? I don't have access to it.

dera

For 747 yes, going up to 133 in September.

zeruela

Amazing! thanks!

boeingdvr

don’t forget - @ 64 hours of pay. Not so amazing. Plan your life at 64, because that’s where they really want us.

Atlasvet

“THEY” may want you there, but can you share what the average line values are actually published? I know it varies base to base.

C17B74

As you stated it varies base to base. ORD FO lines low was 65 and high of 88 thereabouts for next month - predominantly in the low 70s. No art33 included in those numbers as that’s gravy and not a standard - it is spread out quite a bit through most lines so that’s good. Initial base for 74 being ANC can/is better. Definitely higher hours and art33 to be sure, but as boeingdvr mentioned, just live to guarantee and any overage is gravy.

wingedmunkie

I just skimmed the MEM f/o bid pack and found two lines in there with a 4-5 day trip. The catch is they both have two trips for the month and the other one is12-13 days. There is basically no fleet in this company that is regularly going to give you 4-5 days on and 3-4 days off. It just doesn't happen. You can probably routinely find something closer to 8/6 or 10/10 once you have some seniority but we have nothing contractually that creates that sort of balance. In short, if you want an airline with a "normal" work week or weekends off, this is the wrong place for you.

Memphis trips tend to start with a long leg to Asia, bounce around between Asia and ANC, then return to MEM on the last day. This month it looks like lots of split lines with 2 trips in the 7-10 day range but I'm not based there so I don't know what is typical for them.

C17B74

Wingedmunkie is spot on. Not the place for regular 4-5 day trips.

Just talked/texted with 3 friends who are MEM based in the past 24hrs. All three are Captains mind you, but their lines have been getting less robust and or change rapidly when started which is unusual. Losing one or two art33 lines is not uncommon this past month especially on a secondary. MEM is not a heavily populated base having only 17 Captains and 26 FO’s on the last cycle. Quite a few have rotated out and two of the three aforementioned Captains are bidding out next round.

ALL days below are work days:
*Capt - Four 30 day Primary Lines (One 15 Day / Three Split Lines) Two Reserve Lines one split, one not.
*FO - Seven 30 day Primary Lines (One 16 Day / Six Split Lines) Four Reserve Lines (two are 60 day lines) Three Split, one not. Two 30 day Secondary lines as well and both were split 7 day plus a 10 day work cycle. Most lines were 15, 16 and even a 17 days off. Reserve line not so much if I recall for both Capt/FO.

**Split = Broken up, not full 15-17 day lines. Splits are variable with 4-5 day lines coupled with a 10-12 day line. Reserve lines are more like 7 day plus 10, or 8 plus 9.

Note: Capt lines were mostly 70-75hrs, one low 60ish and the one high of 80hrs. (Approximate) FO lines were mostly 90hrs+, a low of 74 and one high of 105. Not adding art33, so many would be more.

All subject to change and it is changing it seems. Heck, everything changes here so be aware, flexible and manage your expectations and if you don’t they will.
<I will be surprised if MEM stays a base beyond another year or two at most, but that is a pure uneducated guess and I cannot back it up…>

boeingdvr

6 months a year at 64. Vacation, sick, training,

3 months you may get some high 120’s.

then you will be burn out. Maybe get 70-80 the other 3 months. Lol.