TransWorld

Fixed it for you,

C17B74

Desperate for qualified folks or not it may turn out more as a stop gap method if things go South with the economy. Purple and perhaps Brown may slow hiring in 2023 compared to previous years, time will tell and a good litmus test overall on the economy or just a restructuring if you will who knows. If a cooling period does happen it opens more candidates for others outfits who are struggling to maintain quota, especially if the Big 3 or 4 slow as well although it’s full steam ahead at this time. As we all know, companies hire until they don’t and abruptly at times. Also, E3 hiring lends itself to candidates who are unable to move elsewhere unlike our home grown pilots unless they use marriage, citizenship, etc. and they may not want to leap frog anyway. Overall, if things do slow it was a very clever way to jump the canyon (hiring pitfall) by bringing the cliffs closer together; thereby, decreasing the Evel Knievel jump. School house backlogs is an animal all by itself.

notthesame

Are you insinuating domestic hires are unqualified? Or that only overseas pilots are the only qualified pilots available?

Or that the only qualified hires we can get are from overseas and come on a non-immigrant visa that chain them to a specific company, but allow endless renewal because qualified domestic pilots can goto any US airline and therefor earn a market based wage that is significantly higher than what they would earn at Atlas?

We've happily given away our only leverage. Don't try to frame this as xenophobia because it's clearly not. They are reaching into foreign labor pools to avoid attrition and thus AVOIDING PAYING A MARKET BASED WAGE. There is a reason that EVERY other airline union (besides ours) lobbies against labor outsourcing. Because it undermines the pilot group (including the E3 hires already on property).

Whats going to happen when the furlough comes and US pilots are on the streets, but our active seniority list is dotted with pilots on non-immigrant visas?

Calling it xenophobia is a very easy way to dismiss what I'm saying. How about debate on the merits of this purely financial issue?

mart83648

Dude! Clearly you haven't been paying attention! It's climate change!

Elevation

Well said about xenophobia as a distraction from the issues. I don't mind fresh ATPs from the US.

TiredSoul

Furloughs are done by seniority not random.
This means that a lot of the furlough(ees?) would be….hold your handkerchief……E3 visa holders.

On your other statements, I’m guessing the Teamsters National don’t care who pays the dues.

Elevation

For questions about gateway and international travel, the only things you have guaranteed are codified in the CBA. People on the internet, recruiters and naysayers have their own take on things which can sometimes be confusing. Please peruse the source material. There's a link to the 2021 CBA on this page. No login required. A lot of questions and doubt can be answered there. Any arrangements made that exceed what's in the CBA can't be depended upon.

https://wp.iap2750.org/resources/

notthesame

Quite literally my point. Furloughs are done via seniority so we would have US permanent residents and citizens on the street while we have (legally) temporary workers on the payroll.

I think if you read the union update from a week or so ago you'll find that its just our local who doesn't seem to care about labor outsourcing (as long as its "specialty worker")

loganeich

I have family reasons and a large bonus coming from my current job in 2023, so would not be able to start until summer of 2023. I have my ATP, but limited turbine time, so appears the 737 would be best fit. Should I apply now given the training delays mentioned in the previous pages?

Is the Atlas 737 a good place for your first jet job or should I go to one of the regionals first?

Wasatchcrest

I had a phone screen last week and HR rep said apply 3 mos out from class availability. FWIW