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Worldguy 08-08-2010 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 852892)
Yea.. what gives.. I mean they have what TWO aircraft on the Angola runs and so they are a charter company instead of Cargo ACMI... come on mods... thats pretty weak.

What do you think Cargo ACMI is? Typically, it is contract flying, long term or short term, in effect "charter". Does ATLAS have their own full-service scheduled cargo service now?

allaboutthegirt 08-09-2010 06:00 AM

Who actually owns those planes? I thought they were Sonairs' and Atlas is only providing crews.

Whaledriver 08-09-2010 06:39 AM

Actually, Atlas is hauling a lot of their own cargo out of HKG, ICN and from MIA south and back.

The plane flying for Panalpina (HSV,STN,LUX,MEX,GUA) is actually flying on Atlas's right, since Panalpina is only a freight forwarder.


SonAir owns the planes, it is a CMI deal. Crew, Maint. and insurance provided by Atlas.

jetjockee 08-09-2010 01:01 PM

Iah
 
Hey, Can someone tell me where the Atlas Crews hang out in IAH (hotels, watering holes, etc),
Ill buy the cold ones :-)

GIANT PILOT 08-09-2010 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by jetjockee (Post 853342)
Hey, Can someone tell me where the Atlas Crews hang out in IAH (hotels, watering holes, etc),
Ill buy the cold ones :-)

For obvious reasons (security) we cannot disclose this location.

jetjockee 08-09-2010 06:42 PM

No worries, I kinda figured :)

Whaledriver101 08-09-2010 07:30 PM

Giant Pilot you were not serious were you???

IAH is Houston in case you dont know. Lots of watering holes and hotels in Houston. Where the Atlas girls hang out and have a few is hardly high security information.

CactusCrew 08-09-2010 10:26 PM

Didn't know Rick's was a big secret ...

:D

GIANT PILOT 08-10-2010 03:37 AM


Originally Posted by Whaledriver101 (Post 853518)
Giant Pilot you were not serious were you???

IAH is Houston in case you dont know. Lots of watering holes and hotels in Houston. Where the Atlas girls hang out and have a few is hardly high security information.

Whale,

Go ahead and tell him where the hotels and hangouts are for the Atlas crews, and while you're at it, if you happen to know the hotels and watering holes for FDX, UPS, AA, CAL, UAL and XYZ airline add it to the list also. I'm not going to publish this kind of info on a forum board! You could always send him a PM with the info if you really want to help a fellow aviator out!

jetjockee 08-11-2010 11:41 AM

Can someone tell me how amny bid periods in a year at atlas?

Whaledriver 08-11-2010 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by jetjockee (Post 854280)
Can someone tell me how amny bid periods in a year at atlas?

12..........

spasekace 08-12-2010 04:42 PM

Atlas Air Hiring
 
Greetings to all,

I've got a few questions for you Atlas guys.
I'm currently an f/o on the Falcon 20 flying on-demand freight throughout USA, MEX & CAN. I've been dead set on a career at Atlas for a long time and want to best my chances for interview/hire at the earliest(Yes I realize that may be a few years).
1)Am I correct in assuming that with 3800TT, 560 TP 121 SIC, 300 TJ 135 SIC, 2800 PIC, 1500(piston) 135 PIC I have virtually no chance at getting an interview this time around even with a solid recommendation from a 10 year Polar CA?
2)At my current job I should be offered DC-9 f/o within 1-3 months or Falcon 20 CA within 8-12 months. If I take the DC-9 I'll be seat locked for 1 yr before being able to bid Falcon CA. Which is probably the better path? I'm assuming wait for Falcon CA, but I imagine DC-9 time is also valuable.
What do y'all think?

Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and answer... it's much appreciated!!!

-Atlas Wannabe

atpcliff 08-12-2010 05:16 PM

Da-20 Pic.

TonyWilliams 08-12-2010 05:29 PM

Yes, I vote CA job first. Nobody really cares about FO time, and the DC-9... well, it's not in production any more, and Atlas doesn't operate that type anyway.

HercDriver130 08-12-2010 05:51 PM

I will agree with the above two posters. That said, apply. You just never know. They have hired a wide variety of backgrounds in the past all though they seem more heavy wide body, international time tracked this time around, there are always exceptions to that. I interviewed with the first group in April and was not selected but they are a fine organization, good luck.

744driver 08-12-2010 05:55 PM

HercDriver beat me to it...use your Polar friend to send in a recommendation for the Atlas job. You never know what the formula-of-the-day they are looking for...

That said, go for the PIC time on the Falcon20...and go to the bigger airplane (left seat) when your seniority allows it.

Good luck.

spasekace 08-13-2010 06:59 AM

Thanks a lot for your responses!!
Like I mentioned, that's more or less what I was thinking, but it's nice to get some input from those with more experience. I'm taking your advice. I'll talk to my CA buddy and throw my hat in the ring (if for nothing else than to show interest early in Atlas) and I'll be patient and wait for the PIC time.

On a different note, I think there might be some DC-9 f/o spots opening up in the next few months. Anyone interested (or know anyone interested) PM me for more info on the gig/life.

Thanks again!

IfitsTuesday 08-13-2010 11:20 AM

As to experience... I got to the technical test without any turbine PIC, but we'll see if I make it any further. (and yes, that test is hard!)

teeb57 08-13-2010 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by spasekace (Post 855213)
Thanks a lot for your responses!!
Like I mentioned, that's more or less what I was thinking, but it's nice to get some input from those with more experience. I'm taking your advice. I'll talk to my CA buddy and throw my hat in the ring (if for nothing else than to show interest early in Atlas) and I'll be patient and wait for the PIC time.

On a different note, I think there might be some DC-9 f/o spots opening up in the next few months. Anyone interested (or know anyone interested) PM me for more info on the gig/life.

Thanks again!

check your pm

Oscar13601 08-13-2010 06:51 PM

What is the interview process like??? Do they give like an ATP test or something??? Sim eval???

744driver 08-13-2010 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by Oscar13601 (Post 855547)
What is the interview process like??? Do they give like an ATP test or something??? Sim eval???


There are plenty of responses about the interview process and the types of questions you can expect...but you have to weed through the previous pages on this thread.

And no, no simulator evaluation. Part of the reason might be that they are able to pick people with many thousands of hours of experience flying various jets...and most of the candidates have big jet experience such as B757/B767/L1011, DC10, MD11, etc.

I'm afraid it is a buyers market right now...so the company can be very picky.

Bluesky1 08-14-2010 10:02 AM

time frame
 
How long is it usually between the time you take the 50 question test and the next contact from HR (assuming you pass the test)?

maza 08-14-2010 03:35 PM

Mine was next day .

FreighterGuyNow 08-15-2010 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by spasekace (Post 854977)
Greetings to all,

I've been dead set on a career at Atlas for a long time and want to best my chances for interview/hire at the earliest(Yes I realize that may be a few years).
-Atlas Wannabe

You really are not competitive with those quals (sorry). You need over water experience in a 737 or larger sized aircraft. An internal rec goes a long way to differentiate you from another candidate with similar experience but will not leapfrog you over someone with, say, 747 time and no rec.

Get the PIC time and you'll be competitive at all the major airlines as well.

I have to ask since you are relatively new to the industry, why dead set for Atlas? If it's the 747, trust me, after 6 months it's just another jet. Go to a major, make a million+ more dollars over the course of your career , use 1% of it to buy a type and check that box.

Not bashing Atlas, it was a good gig for me over 5 years.

744driver 08-15-2010 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow (Post 856045)


Not bashing Atlas, it was a good gig for me over 5 years.

But still it is 200% better (read profitable, good business plan, good growth, good fleet of airplanes,etc) that even some of the "legacy" carriers.

The lure of the "major" airline job flying passengers (vs. flying "rubber dog$)(* from HKG) is just not that reliable anymore.

Those are the realities of the airline world...the truly reliable outfits to work for are the FDX, UPS, and SWA.

Whistlin' Dan 08-15-2010 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by 744driver (Post 856093)
But still it is 200% better (read profitable, good business plan, good growth, good fleet of airplanes,etc) that even some of the "legacy" carriers.

The lure of the "major" airline job flying passengers (vs. flying "rubber dog$)(* from HKG) is just not that reliable anymore.

Those are the realities of the airline world...the truly reliable outfits to work for are the FDX, UPS, and SWA.

I remember when they were saying that about Braniff and Continental. Five years later Braniff was gone and Continental in tatters.

I remember when they were saying that about USAir and People Express. Again, 5 years was all it took to go from "golden" to "gone." Ditto Gemini and DHL. A lot can change in a short period of time. All it takes is a change in CEO's, a crash, a bump in fuel prices, or any one of a million other things, and what was once the dream-of-a-lifetime job becomes just another hat hanging in your closet.

I'm sure Atlas is a fine company to work for. I wish I was there right now, with about 11 years seniority. But to anybody looking for a job, I would say only this...don't assume that a company that is desireable to work for in 2010 will be so in 2015 or beyond.

It just doesn't work that way.

Waldo11 08-15-2010 02:09 PM

If you're looking for stability and assurance you're in the wrong industry (go be a nurse if you need that). That being said I'd much rather be here then a place like Delta, Jet Blue, or AT (the current ones hiring).

All indicators point to this being a pretty decent time to get on at Atlas but I'm not naive enough to think anything is a sure thing.

744driver 08-15-2010 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan (Post 856207)
I remember when they were saying that about Braniff and Continental. Five years later Braniff was gone and Continental in tatters.

I remember when they were saying that about USAir and People Express. Again, 5 years was all it took to go from "golden" to "gone." Ditto Gemini and DHL. A lot can change in a short period of time. All it takes is a change in CEO's, a crash, a bump in fuel prices, or any one of a million other things, and what was once the dream-of-a-lifetime job becomes just another hat hanging in your closet.

I'm sure Atlas is a fine company to work for. I wish I was there right now, with about 11 years seniority. But to anybody looking for a job, I would say only this...don't assume that a company that is desireable to work for in 2010 will be so in 2015 or beyond.

It just doesn't work that way.

Absolutely right...thanks for clarifying my post.

FreighterGuyNow 08-15-2010 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by 744driver (Post 856093)
But still it is 200% better (read profitable, good business plan, good growth, good fleet of airplanes,etc) that even some of the "legacy" carriers.
.

If you can't be gone 23 days a month (in a row ) you can't afford to ask.

Nitefrater 08-15-2010 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan (Post 856207)
I remember when they were saying that about Braniff and Continental. Five years later Braniff was gone and Continental in tatters.

I remember when they were saying that about USAir and People Express. Again, 5 years was all it took to go from "golden" to "gone." Ditto Gemini and DHL. A lot can change in a short period of time. All it takes is a change in CEO's, a crash, a bump in fuel prices, or any one of a million other things, and what was once the dream-of-a-lifetime job becomes just another hat hanging in your closet.

I'm sure Atlas is a fine company to work for. I wish I was there right now, with about 11 years seniority. But to anybody looking for a job, I would say only this...don't assume that a company that is desireable to work for in 2010 will be so in 2015 or beyond.

It just doesn't work that way.

“The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet.”

FreighterGuyNow 08-16-2010 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by 744driver (Post 856093)
The lure of the "major" airline job flying passengers (vs. flying "rubber dog$)(* from HKG) is just not that reliable anymore.

How long have you worked there?

Atlas Air flies into Chapter 11 bankruptcy

The air cargo carrier capped a troubled three years on Jan. 30 when it filed for reorganization wider Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code

Atlas Air flies into Chapter 11 bankruptcy | Westchester County Business Journal | Find Articles at BNET

744driver 08-16-2010 10:42 AM

I've been at Atlas (longer than I care to admit!!) since Dec 1996.

What I don't want to do is to get into a he-said-(s)he-said argument about the pros and cons of the airline business, and Atlas in particular. There is plenty of information out there these days and I'm not here to convince anyone about anything.

Those pilots that have reached a dead end in this job market by accumulating many thousands of hours in RJ's might want to consider Atlas as a way to get to the big airplanes. It also represents a possible career for others that are looking to move on to a MORE stable company.

What I know is that Atlas offers a good future, based on the data available today, and the foreseeable future. And it is considerably brighter future than some of the other kids in the airline playground.

I am now done "selling" Atlas' virtues.

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled programing...and discuss the original intent of this thread.

dojetdriver 08-16-2010 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow (Post 856513)
How long have you worked there?

Atlas Air flies into Chapter 11 bankruptcy

The air cargo carrier capped a troubled three years on Jan. 30 when it filed for reorganization wider Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code

Atlas Air flies into Chapter 11 bankruptcy | Westchester County Business Journal | Find Articles at BNET

Just reading the thread and following the debate. I'm not really sure what the point of having a link to Atlas filing Ch.11 is about.

I could be wrong (sarcasm), but I'm pretty sure I could find some links to legacy airlines being in BK as well. And some of those have furloughed MORE pilots than Atlas even employs.

Apples to oranges when comparing Legacies to ACMI/Charter, just sayin'

johnso29 08-16-2010 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by 744driver (Post 856093)
But still it is 200% better (read profitable, good business plan, good growth, good fleet of airplanes,etc) that even some of the "legacy" carriers.

The lure of the "major" airline job flying passengers (vs. flying "rubber dog$)(* from HKG) is just not that reliable anymore.

Those are the realities of the airline world...the truly reliable outfits to work for are the FDX, UPS, and SWA.


A lot of guys left Legacy jobs for UPS and are regretting it. The $$$ got them drooling, and they left for a company that will kick you to the street and fill your flying with management pilots. Many had way more seniority at their Legacy, and now some are on the street and for others the possibility is getting closer.

I guess my point is this industry is a gamble regardless of where you go or where you stay. If somebody wants to see the world, Atlas can get you that. If you want to fly one of the most popular jets all over the world, Atlas can get you that. But remember you can be on the road for a very long time, and if you have a family that is very, very difficult especially if you're used to 4 on, 3 off schedule.

Bottom line, if you feel it's time to move on then apply, interview, and if offered then make the decision. You can't ever worry about walking into that room if you don't even give yourself a chance to get to the door. JMHO.

ATCsaidDoWhat 08-16-2010 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow (Post 856513)
How long have you worked there?

Atlas Air flies into Chapter 11 bankruptcy

The air cargo carrier capped a troubled three years on Jan. 30 when it filed for reorganization wider Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code

Atlas Air flies into Chapter 11 bankruptcy | Westchester County Business Journal | Find Articles at BNET

What you failed to mention was that it was a pre-packaged Ch.11. Additionally, the pilots contract was NOT TOUCHED...no concessions. In fact, the new management group not only re-instituted profit sharing (that has now gone from 11% post Ch.11 to 12.5% of the pilots individual gross pay last year). They also provided stock options with a strike price of around $17.50.

The new management team is not airline retreads, but people from the conatinerized rail and ship cargo industry who understand the business and have done a really good job of diversifying the business model. Which explains why they didn't go in the tank in this recession and are making money...and buying new planes, used planes and expanding.

The model looks pretty good...smart decisions and an unwillingness to follow the standard industry norms that have hurt so many.

Not bad.

744driver 08-16-2010 12:28 PM

Can we please get back to the intent of the thread...which is to help those INTERESTED in applying for a job at Atlas.

There is plenty of information out there to satisfy anyone and everyone, no matter what color stripes you wear.

We all make the decisions for our lives and our own situations based on the information we have at the time. We all hope and pray that it is the right decision for our lives, families, and will get us comfortably to retirement and beyond.

Like someone said above, if you want a sure thing, go be a nurse, or a doctor, or anything else except a pilot.

Some of us love what we do...others, not so much. Well, then quit and leave it to those of us who do and you can move on to other things.

Rama 08-16-2010 12:31 PM

He also failed to mention that was a six year old article. IMHO is a strong carrier with new aircraft on order and are a reliable freight mover. If you can handle the schedule it wouldnot be a bad place to be.

744driver 08-16-2010 03:26 PM

I have several friends that were hired in the 2007-2008 classes that get most of the schedules they bid for. That is not bad for a guy that has only been on our seniority list for only 2-3 years.

As has been said here before, Atlas does not run a hub and spoke operation. Therefore, the trips can be long...but there are plenty of short (3-6 days) to choose from. And a lot of guys that live near a base, or the ones that don't mind commuting multiple times a month, do bid these short trips and/or reserve periods.

ERJF15 08-16-2010 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by 744driver (Post 856610)
Those pilots that have reached a dead end in this job market by accumulating many thousands of hours in RJ's might want to consider Atlas as a way to get to the big airplanes.


I've sent my resume 3 times.

dojetdriver 08-16-2010 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 856630)
A lot of guys left Legacy jobs for UPS and are regretting it.

Conversely, pre 9/11 there were guys that left places like UPS/FedEX to go a legacy.

I wouldn't doubt that some of them, particularly the ones that went to UAL and AA regret it.


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