Originally Posted by 744driver
(Post 1310020)
The only thing I would add to your most excellent posting is to NEVER, EVER, turn down an upgrade...especially if it involves a new type-rating that you don't have.
I just ran into several guys in Germany couple of weeks ago that are senior to me on the list and DIDN"T bid the 767 CA seat...two of them told me that they should have bid the 767 Left seat when it was offered last year. They say that because they don't think they will get the 744 left seat during the three years that I am in the Left seat on the 767, making a lot more money, and gaining valuable CA experience on a heavy jet...and it has already been 15 months since my three year equipment lock started!! Time flies when you're having fun, right?!! |
Flying a 767 is not rocket science. Anyone with a few thousand hours of flying jets will NOT have a problem in a 76, regardless of previous jet(s) flown. Some folks are over valuing their/others prior 767 experience.
Hire the best candidate for the position. Plenty of us had zero 767 time and we aren't struggling despite what some may think/say. Preferential hiring? Give me a break. Plenty of great pilots out there that can figure out this airplane and do just as well as someone from a prior 767 company. Prior 76 experience is not an entitlement for an interview. If I've offended you - you'll get over it. |
Flying a 747 isnt rocket science either. Especially if you flew the EMB-170/190 before...
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Originally Posted by Rhino12
(Post 1310047)
Flying a 767 is not rocket science. Anyone with a few thousand hours of flying jets will NOT have a problem in a 76, regardless of previous jet(s) flown. Some folks are over valuing their/others prior 767 experience.
Hire the best candidate for the position. Plenty of us had zero 767 time and we aren't struggling despite what some may think/say. Preferential hiring? Give me a break. Plenty of great pilots out there that can figure out this airplane and do just as well as someone from a prior 767 company. Prior 76 experience is not an entitlement for an interview. If I've offended you - you'll get over it. However, there is an economic advantage to the company if they get can get not only qualified but current 767 pilots in training, because the course would be shorten dramatically. Less time in training means that they will become useful to the company sooner. Also, it you flown for other airlines, you'll know that the vast majority of them are represented by a union and work under a collective bargaining agreement. In summary flying for the airlines isn't just a profession, it is permeated with politics. Union members could argue that recent furloughed pilots represented by the same union should be given preferential treatment from other carriers whose pilots are also the members of the same union. This cannot be dictated by the union, because they have no authority to do so. They can only propose such a proposition to a company. Perhaps, Atlas management has seen this recent event as a competitive advantage and will exploit it. They aren't not doing it for altruistic reasons. If you're currently in the pool you have my empathy. It may seem unfair to you. You're right. But business isn't necessarily about fairness, so long as any law isn't broken. Gosh, a business trying to circumvent the law. I don't think that has ever happen? |
Originally Posted by Rhino12
(Post 1310047)
Flying a 767 is not rocket science. Anyone with a few thousand hours of flying jets will NOT have a problem in a 76, regardless of previous jet(s) flown. Some folks are over valuing their/others prior 767 experience.
Hire the best candidate for the position. Plenty of us had zero 767 time and we aren't struggling despite what some may think/say. Preferential hiring? Give me a break. Plenty of great pilots out there that can figure out this airplane and do just as well as someone from a prior 767 company. Prior 76 experience is not an entitlement for an interview. If I've offended you - you'll get over it. |
We have plenty of ex ABX guys flying - who decided to leave or were furloughed. No preferential hiring for them - no short course. My entire class didn't have a 767 guy in it and I doubt the company didn't think of the points fore mentioned - yet not one prior 767 guy in class. And then...?
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744Driver please don't encourage the senior guys to upgrade if they don't want to ;)....... us little people on the bottom, want to upgrade and we know how important it is.
When I hear the senior guys say that the 767 is no good and they want to stay on the 747, I tell them "right on, if I were you I'd do the same" :) |
F10A: Just update your information by sending to the crewjobs email address. As I sent my original pkg using an IMAC, I learned through others to resend using the Wibdows platform. I spoke w/HR yesterday to confirm they had my complete package.
There are a lot of good candidates in the resume system. Good luck and continued patience for all of us. :) |
Originally Posted by Rhino12
(Post 1310047)
Flying a 767 is not rocket science. Anyone with a few thousand hours of flying jets will NOT have a problem in a 76, regardless of previous jet(s) flown. Some folks are over valuing their/others prior 767 experience.
Hire the best candidate for the position. Plenty of us had zero 767 time and we aren't struggling despite what some may think/say. Preferential hiring? Give me a break. Plenty of great pilots out there that can figure out this airplane and do just as well as someone from a prior 767 company. Prior 76 experience is not an entitlement for an interview. If I've offended you - you'll get over it. |
NO ONE, on property, in pool, or waiting by the phone, needs to take anything personally.
It's nothing new that Atlas doesn't pull from the pool in the order that you take the plunge. The need for C & Q pilots must be there, and i'm glad Atlas is doing what it takes and putting together a short course. Try to stay patient swimmers! It seems Atlas is interviewing again which must mean they are soon going to have to fill a draining pool... Good chance you will go to the 747 (747 FO's upgrading to 767 Capt will create vacancies there). The concern is not if any 767 new-hire is more or less trainable due to background, it is the new-aircraft-type-on-the-property syndrome which means almost all Captains continue to upgrade from 747 FO and have 0 time on the 767. In less than 2 years, when current 767 FO seat-locks are up, this won't be an issue any more since all new-hires will likely start on the 767. It seems reasonable to favor some experienced 767 FO new-hires (especially if a short course is needed). I believe we will continue to not favor background types and hire pilots from cargo, pax, regional, military, and corporate. |
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