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Old 11-03-2017, 04:17 PM
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You will never, never get past the Hogan.
Who is Hogan?

Hogan's Heroes?

and I never did sleep with police officer's wife but she did flirt with me and invited me to meet her at Dicks. She was a high school crush. I got Drunk instead. She had two kids. Kids need a safe environment and a mom and dad who love them. I wasn't her guy.

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Old 11-03-2017, 04:53 PM
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Is it this?

Home - Hogan Assessments

searching this would be a part of an interview? United? I never applied to United and I have no intention of working there. Half of the management needs to be fired at United in my opinion. Sorry but wrong again. you got the wrong guy.

Pretty sure I have already passed several of these.

Its a stupid test written by idiots.
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Old 11-04-2017, 07:02 AM
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Just do the HIMS evaluation. If you are not a abuser there will be no issue and problem solved. The rest of this thread is silly.
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Originally Posted by MedicalTruth View Post
Here's another scenario - (hypothetical, but very close to an actual case)

A pilot has too much to drink at a Birthday party in a local restaurant, drove there, but had a designated driver.

The whole restaurant takes notice of a commotion in the parking lot. A cop is being abusive to a suspect. The pilot makes a comment, "take it easy" to the cop. The cop approaches the Pilot and subsequently arrests the pilot for DUI since the pilot had his keys in his pocket and the car in close proximity in the parking lot.

The BAC comes back .20 because the pilot just had two shots prior to the test.

The pilot goes to jail, posts bail, has to spend upwards of 5,000 for a DUI lawyer, the charge is plead out to Public Intoxication.
If it really went down like that, a lawyer would have a field day with the case and police officers. Now, if a pilot went to a restaurant, had a drink or two, planned on driving home with some friends as passengers, but then when the cop found the keys the pilot changed his plan and told him that he wasn't going to drive, it's going to look fishy and he's going to have a tough time fighting it. Especially if said group of friends were already gathered around the car. If you made arrangements such as "well, before we went I asked so and so to be my DD and he said yes", and then the cop goes and confirms the story and when that was asked, you will start to establish the intent was not to drive drunk. Add that to not even being in or near the car and it's probably going to be a slam-dunk. Just like the "sleeping in the car" story. That can go both ways, passed out in the front seat with the engine running is pretty much going to land you in some kind of trouble. Sleeping in the back and "I put my keys in the glove box" or something similar is going to show intent in the other direction, especially if there were other factors like it was cold, phone didn't work, etc., and again, the lawyers will have a field day with the court system. None of these is a guaranteed "get out of jail free card", but the facts are usually not quite what you are making them out to be.
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Originally Posted by MedicalTruth View Post
Happens all the time. Are you aware of the ongoing protests in this country based on these very events?

This is why laws are amended or abolished. The latest 18v revision is not only unfair, it is unconstitutional.

In the real world, you can fight a DUI in court, you can challenge a BAC, you can get the charge dismissed.

But in the eyes of the FAA, you're guilty until proven innocent just by what a cop says.
I'm all for fairness and I understand there are large abuses of power that still happen, but show me in the constitution where it says a pilot certificate is a right?
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Originally Posted by MedicalTruth View Post
You're right, And if you have been following this thread, I mentioned the Cop has since been terminated.

The rest of your post I didn't bother to read.
I read it earlier, but I forget whether you said if the officer was terminated for this exact offense/situation. I seemed to recall that you didn't, but I'm not reading the entire thing again. If they weren't terminated for blundering up this DUI arrest, it's irrelevant that they were terminated.
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Originally Posted by MedicalTruth View Post
The final straw
Irrelevant. Kid burned alive in a car has nothing to do with this DUI story.
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Originally Posted by MedicalTruth View Post
Where did I say that having a pilot certificate is a right?
Somewhere around here?

This is why laws are amended or abolished. The latest 18v revision is not only unfair, it is unconstitutional.

In the real world, you can fight a DUI in court, you can challenge a BAC, you can get the charge dismissed.

But in the eyes of the FAA, you're guilty until proven innocent just by what a cop says.
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Old 11-04-2017, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
I'm all for fairness and I understand there are large abuses of power that still happen, but show me in the constitution where it says a pilot certificate is a right?
The basis for denying the privilege must be applied equally and the process for grant or denial cannot be arbitrary.
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Old 11-04-2017, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MedicalTruth View Post
Here's another scenario - (hypothetical, but very close to an actual case)

A pilot has too much to drink at a Birthday party in a local restaurant, drove there, but had a designated driver.

The whole restaurant takes notice of a commotion in the parking lot. A cop is being abusive to a suspect. The pilot makes a comment, "take it easy" to the cop. The cop approaches the Pilot and subsequently arrests the pilot for DUI since the pilot had his keys in his pocket and the car in close proximity in the parking lot.

The BAC comes back .20 because the pilot just had two shots prior to the test.

The pilot goes to jail, posts bail, has to spend upwards of 5,000 for a DUI lawyer, the charge is plead out to Public Intoxication.

The pilot has to notify the FAA of the DUI within 60 days as per 61.15. (MVA depending on State).

The pilot is now grounded and has to pay upwards of 15,000 to get his/her medical back through a mandatory HIMS program based on >.20 BAC. At least 2 years of lost income.

The pilot is a brand new CFI with hardly any cash, just starting out, 20-something years old. His/her career is ruined.


Alternative scenario -

Same as above, but the cop makes an arrest for Public intoxication. The court dismisses the charge after an apology since it was a stupid first offense, and the pilot really never did anything wrong except make a statement.

The FAA never knows about it.
Like I said before everybody knows that pilots who mix car keys, booze, and cops do so at their own peril. You never know when the cops will show up, so that leaves two (count them TWO, x2) variables which you can always control. No kidding I hand the keys to my wife when I walk in the bar.

And we're all good, since the only two pilots who didn't know that, do now.
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