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Old 12-17-2017, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman View Post
Ah, then it must be Double Secret Probation.
Not sure what that means.

The Compliance Action is recorded in PTRS (Program Tracking and Reporting Subsystem) which is an internal system to the FAA.
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Old 12-17-2017, 08:39 AM
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Not sure what that means.
My bad. The movie was pre-millennial. 😜

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eUUzA56zG2U
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Old 12-17-2017, 10:06 AM
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My bad. The movie was pre-millennial. 😜

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eUUzA56zG2U
I’m definitely not a millennial. ;)
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Old 12-17-2017, 11:32 AM
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Career funeral over accidentally busting an airspace? Negative. However, if somebody keeps busting airspace, there’s a problem. From the way it reads, this is the OPs first time.
Enforcement action is enforcement action. Violations on one's record are enough to cost a job interview, or an invite to a job interview...for a long time. Warning letters are enough. They can damage a career for years.
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Old 12-18-2017, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman View Post
Ah, then it must be Double Secret Probation.


I got it. Still a funny movie..!!!
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Old 12-19-2017, 07:20 AM
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Just my personal opinion, but I'm thinking the FAA will mostly be looking at the CFI in this situation. He was the more experienced pilot and he is supervising the flight while the student is learning the maneuvers. Also I am guessing that he was the agreed upon PIC as well, thus placing the responsibility more on him than the student who is focused on learning his flight maneuvers. I would advise the student to file the NASA report and to be humble and honest with the FAA. They might assign some remedial training depending on the circumstances, however they might just give you a talking to over the phone if you have the right attitude. Good luck with it and don't worry, this is far from a career killer.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Enforcement action is enforcement action. Violations on one's record are enough to cost a job interview, or an invite to a job interview...for a long time. Warning letters are enough. They can damage a career for years.

One simple mistake will not lead to a violation or a Warning letter. It will be handled with Compliance Action if the airman is compliant. Which would equal no violation or warning letter.
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One simple mistake will not lead to a violation or a Warning letter. It will be handled with Compliance Action if the airman is compliant. Which would equal no violation or warning letter.
Rose colored glasses work only so long.

Often it's experience that will teach you the truth.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Rose colored glasses work only so long.

Often it's experience that will teach you the truth.
So when you can't formulate a response you resort to cryptic messaging?
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Rose colored glasses work only so long.

Often it's experience that will teach you the truth.
Confucius or fortune cookies..??
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