Can a third class medical be used under this
03-03-2018, 08:40 PM
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Can a third class medical be used under this
If you are flying a BE40 as a copilot On a part 91 operator, with a comercial license, and not recieving payment from the company , can you use a third class medical?
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03-04-2018, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Jmrr
I understand that part, but even being a part 91aircraft?
2. Why you flying for free?
3. Why you flying right seat without formal training?
Be very careful with this.
If you get a hotel room paid on an overnight - considered compensation
If company gets you a rental car - considered compensation.
If you get a Starbucks gift card - considered compensation.
It’s not only getting a check in the mail that the FAA considers ‘compensation’.
03-04-2018, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MosquitoXEL
The FAA considers free flight time to be compensation, so no. You would need to have at least a second class medical.
03-04-2018, 07:08 AM
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It's most likely compensation, otherwise why would you be doing it for free?
If you're an entry-level commercial pilot and logging it, you're obviously doing it for career-enhancement. If you're a retired legacy wide-body CA, don't need the money, don't need the time, and are not logging it you can rightly claim you're doing it for fun.
Presumably you got the required minimum training to sit right seat? I also assume it's a two-pilot aircraft, with no single-pilot provision?
If you're an entry-level commercial pilot and logging it, you're obviously doing it for career-enhancement. If you're a retired legacy wide-body CA, don't need the money, don't need the time, and are not logging it you can rightly claim you're doing it for fun.
Presumably you got the required minimum training to sit right seat? I also assume it's a two-pilot aircraft, with no single-pilot provision?
03-04-2018, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jmrr
If you are flying a BE40 as a copilot On a part 91 operator, with a comercial license, and not recieving payment from the company , can you use a third class medical?
Ask yourself how you’re going to explain yourself in front of the NTSB judge.
If you’ve had no training you’re simply a passenger in a cockpit with a single decision maker.
If the “real pilot” makes the wrong decision and heads off for the weeds you are still going to be on the hook for it.
I’ve turned down I don’t know how many offers when I was flight instructing.
“ Hey buddy, you’ve got a Commercial right? Wanna sit right seat in my Baron/KingAir/Lear as we do this trip?”
“No pay though but you can log the time as I’m an ATP, gotta wear the uniform as the passenger paid for two pilots”.....
There’s just soooo much wrong with that I don’t even know where to start.
03-04-2018, 12:36 PM
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Is the Captain a CFI and giving you flight instruction on a BE40? Pay him/her a buck an hour and then you are the customer/student. Have him/her enter it in your logbook as dual given....or simpler yet, get a 2nd class medical!
If anyone gives you any crap just say you heard it on airlinepilotcentral!
If anyone gives you any crap just say you heard it on airlinepilotcentral!
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03-04-2018, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 155mm
Is the Captain a CFI and giving you flight instruction on a BE40? Pay him/her a buck an hour and then you are the customer/student. Have him/her enter it in your logbook as dual given....or simpler yet, get a 2nd class medical!
If anyone gives you any crap just say you heard it on airlinepilotcentral!
If anyone gives you any crap just say you heard it on airlinepilotcentral!
If an airline mightmistakenly hired you with 600 hours dual received, the DPE would probably refuse to do your ATP ride.
03-04-2018, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You can get away with dual for aircraft, airport, or route familiarization, or for some IFR currency/practice. You can't keep logging dual for the same thing over and over again (unless it's required for a cert/rating).
If an airline mightmistakenly hired you with 600 hours dual received, the DPE would probably refuse to do your ATP ride.
If an airline mightmistakenly hired you with 600 hours dual received, the DPE would probably refuse to do your ATP ride.
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