Deliberate Vandalism Question ~
08-09-2008, 05:35 PM
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Deliberate Vandalism Question ~
I know of a pilot who deliberately vandalized another pilot's private airplane.
My question is , is this something to take to the FAA being that these are only private 4 seater planes involved and not commercial planes?
The pilot in question is also a serious alcoholic and has flown his plane on numerous occasions intoxicated.
He has given little children rides in his plane and this is very worrisome.
He has friends in high places like cops and he mentioned a green beret , and that has kept me quiet as he boasts he has the power to have them go after people ( quietly ) , however when I heard about the little kids , I now have begun a chain of action . The FAA though , how would I go about that ?
Thank you all in advance.
Valhalla
My question is , is this something to take to the FAA being that these are only private 4 seater planes involved and not commercial planes?
The pilot in question is also a serious alcoholic and has flown his plane on numerous occasions intoxicated.
He has given little children rides in his plane and this is very worrisome.
He has friends in high places like cops and he mentioned a green beret , and that has kept me quiet as he boasts he has the power to have them go after people ( quietly ) , however when I heard about the little kids , I now have begun a chain of action . The FAA though , how would I go about that ?
Thank you all in advance.
Valhalla
08-09-2008, 07:34 PM
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Like Slice said, drop the federal dime asap.
And don't worry about the clown coming after you. Morons who claim they are spies, federal agents, or ex-special forces are invariably wannabee losers who could never have made the grade in the first place. People who really have that kind of background rarely throw it around socially...especially nowdays, you never know when Achmed might come looking for retribution.
And don't worry about the clown coming after you. Morons who claim they are spies, federal agents, or ex-special forces are invariably wannabee losers who could never have made the grade in the first place. People who really have that kind of background rarely throw it around socially...especially nowdays, you never know when Achmed might come looking for retribution.
08-09-2008, 07:37 PM
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Rick ...
Thank you Rick , I really do appreciate your input.
This guy is a serious mental case that began seeking psychoanalysis in 2006 ...apparently it is not helping.
I will get in touch with the FBI pronto , I was not sure if they were the ones to involve or the FAA .
Thank you both again !
This guy is a serious mental case that began seeking psychoanalysis in 2006 ...apparently it is not helping.
I will get in touch with the FBI pronto , I was not sure if they were the ones to involve or the FAA .
Thank you both again !
08-09-2008, 10:05 PM
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Be a little careful.. it sounds like you know quite a bit about this guy (which is....interesting)... like it was said before this person will probably not "come after you"... but DON'T tell anyone about this including local LE... and insist on being anonymous with the FBI, if he is a mental case you never know what could possibly happen to you or your family, speculating one way or the other is nice... but if something happens all bets are off. If this guy had the balls to vandalize someone's airplane... you can only imagine what could possibly happen to you/your stuff.
Bottom line.. don't be an idiot about this thing... give the FBI the info and keep your mouth shut as much as possible. Since you know so much about this person it is possible, this person knows a bit about you.
Bottom line.. don't be an idiot about this thing... give the FBI the info and keep your mouth shut as much as possible. Since you know so much about this person it is possible, this person knows a bit about you.
08-10-2008, 03:13 PM
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Rickair--
Unfortunately, 18 USC 32 applies only to the "special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States" which, in a nutshell, requires the aircraft to be in flight, not on the ground. 18 USC 31 says to look to 49 USC 46501 for term definitions used in the chapter that sections 31 and 32 are in (Title 18, Part I, Chapter 2). 49 USC 46501(2) defines "special aircraft jurisdiction of the US".
(2) “special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States” includes any of the following aircraft in flight: (A) a civil aircraft of the United States.
(B) an aircraft of the armed forces of the United States.
(C) another aircraft in the United States.
(D) another aircraft outside the United States— (i) that has its next scheduled destination or last place of departure in the United States, if the aircraft next lands in the United States;
(ii) on which an individual commits an offense (as defined in the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft) if the aircraft lands in the United States with the individual still on the aircraft; or
(iii) against which an individual commits an offense (as defined in subsection (d) or (e) of article I, section I of the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Civil Aviation) if the aircraft lands in the United States with the individual still on the aircraft.
(E) any other aircraft leased without crew to a lessee whose principal place of business is in the United States or, if the lessee does not have a principal place of business, whose permanent residence is in the United States.
Anyway, enough of the legal mumbo jumbo, there's probably another federal law out there that applies. In any case, there are certainly state criminal laws that would apply. Besides an anonymous complaint to the FBI, one could also consider an anonymous complaint to a state-level law enforcement agency, or even to that state's department of aviation or aeronautics.
Unfortunately, 18 USC 32 applies only to the "special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States" which, in a nutshell, requires the aircraft to be in flight, not on the ground. 18 USC 31 says to look to 49 USC 46501 for term definitions used in the chapter that sections 31 and 32 are in (Title 18, Part I, Chapter 2). 49 USC 46501(2) defines "special aircraft jurisdiction of the US".
(2) “special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States” includes any of the following aircraft in flight: (A) a civil aircraft of the United States.
(B) an aircraft of the armed forces of the United States.
(C) another aircraft in the United States.
(D) another aircraft outside the United States— (i) that has its next scheduled destination or last place of departure in the United States, if the aircraft next lands in the United States;
(ii) on which an individual commits an offense (as defined in the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft) if the aircraft lands in the United States with the individual still on the aircraft; or
(iii) against which an individual commits an offense (as defined in subsection (d) or (e) of article I, section I of the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Civil Aviation) if the aircraft lands in the United States with the individual still on the aircraft.
(E) any other aircraft leased without crew to a lessee whose principal place of business is in the United States or, if the lessee does not have a principal place of business, whose permanent residence is in the United States.
Anyway, enough of the legal mumbo jumbo, there's probably another federal law out there that applies. In any case, there are certainly state criminal laws that would apply. Besides an anonymous complaint to the FBI, one could also consider an anonymous complaint to a state-level law enforcement agency, or even to that state's department of aviation or aeronautics.
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