eprn1n2

What are the bare minimum qualifications to fly a Part 91 ferry flight as an FO on a transport category plane (ie MD-80). Would a commercial multi-engine do it or is aircraft specific training involved.

Diver Driver

You are a required crewmember. I believe that at a bare minimum, you must have had aircraft specific training. For international flights you must also be type rated, this can also be a SIC type. Most airlines will SIC type you, as it is needed in the ICAO environment. In addition, insurance requirements will probably require you to have a minimum amount of flight expreience, certain currency and training pre-reqs as well. My guess is you will need your commerical ME license with instrument priviledges...

PerfInit

Actually there is no training requirement. See 14 CFR Part 61.55. It says that for Ferry Flights or Training Flights, type specific aircraft training is not required. An SIC type rating is required (ICAO requirement), and can be added to any pilot certificate at your local FSDO. No documentation is required for this. There will be a limitation placed on the certificate that says:

"MD-80 SIC privileges for ferry and training flights only"

WEACLRS

If the flight is a ferry flight, aircraft flight test, or evaluation flight of an aircraft's equipment, and is not carrying any person or property on board the aircraft (61.55 (g)), then a commercial certificate with multiengine rating or an ATP would be adequate as long as the pilot within the preceding 12 months meets 61.55 (b)(1) - ie, familiar with operational procedures, performance, normal, abnormal, and emergency procedures, flight manual, placards, etc. This would need to be documented ground training. He would not need to meet 61.55 (b)(2) which requires three t/o and landings to a full stop, engine out procedures and maneuvering, and CRM.

If he was just a private pilot with a multiengine rating the he would need to meet both 61.55 (b)(1) and (2).

An instrument rating and instrument currency would only be needed if the flight was conducted under IFR conditions.

An actual SIC type does require documented training. A trainer or qualified management official must make an endorsement in the applicant's logbook, and the applicant's flight experience and/or training records, if in electronic form, must be presented at the FSDO or to an examiner/APD. Also the person who provided the ground and flight training, or the management official, must sign the back of the 8710-1. There is no practical test. (61.55(d)(2), (3), and (5), and 61.55(e)(2), (3), and (5)).

eprn1n2

Thanks all for your input. I usually fly with captain qualified friends but in a pinch was wondering what minimum qual I could get away with putting in the right seat. It would also be fun to give an up and coming pilot some jet time.

eprn1n2

So it appears that the FO must recieve training to satisfy 61.55 b)1. What , if anything, qualifies the trainer? It appears as if I could do it. Is there guidance besides the details in 61.55 b)1 with regards to the amount of time spent on training?

NoyGonnaDoIt

There isn't any guidance on the issue where you'd usually find it. For example, there is nothing in FAA ORDER 8900.1 - Flight Standards Information Management System, which usually addresses this type of issue. You may find that company policy or insurance issues may address it in terms of company, not FAA requirements.

But, when the FAA amended 61.55 in 2005 to provide for the SIC type rating, it did comment on this issue.

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The SIC pilot type rating applicant must receive the familiarization training under Sec. 61.55(b) from a qualified pilot in command [See Sec. 61.31(a)] or an authorized flight instructor who holds the aircraft type rating on his/her pilot certificate [See Sec. 61.31(a) and Sec. 61.195(b)]. The ground training under Sec. 61.55(b)(1) may be given by an authorized advanced ground instructor [See Sec. 61.215(b)], authorized flight instructor, or qualified pilot in command. The person who provided the training (the trainer) must sign the applicant's logbook or training record after each lesson in accordance with Sec. 61.51(h)(2). For instance, the logbook or training record must specify the type and amount of training given.
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If you want to check, the original source document is here:
http://frwebgate4.access.gpo.gov/cgi...ction=retrieve

And, no, there isn't anything I'm aware of on the amount of time.

But... that's the FAA. The company or owner of the aircraft may have different rules with greater restrictions.

eprn1n2

Thanks. This gets more interesting by the minute. I'm a qualified PIC so it looks like I could do the training. Once that is done I sign the logbook according to 61.51 and the FO takes it down to the FSDO and gets it signed off as "MD-80 SIC for ferry flights only". Most of the time customer insurance requirements would prohibit this arangement but the customer I worked for recently would have no problem. This work is all freelance and the customer is only interested in the delivery of the aircraft to destination. Thanks all.

NoyGonnaDoIt

I'm not sure that it would be limited to ferry flights. If you've given the training, the reg says he can get his SIC type rating. Maybe I'm not looking closely enough, but I don't see where it calls for a restriction on the type of flight. AFAIK, it's an aircraft type endorsement/rating (limited to SIC privileges), not an operational rating or even permits you to add limitations. You've basically signed him off to be SIC on passenger flights in an MD-80.

He also doesn't have to go down to the FSDO. The "SIC type rating" is needed for international flights only. It's part of an ICAO requirement; the endorsement of familiarity training and the currency requirement are FAA part.

eprn1n2

As was pointed out by WEACLRS 61.55 g) , the ferry flight provision, eliminates b)2 which is the the need for the 3 landings, engine out proficiency, and CRM training. With those he could carry passengers. So to operate domestically as a SIC on a ferry flight all he would need would be the training I gave him to satisfy b)1 noted in his log book. Thanks again for your help.