How long does something stay on your PRIA?
 

How long does something stay on your PRIA report?

I believe its 10 years (not sure) but airlines normally only go back 5. With everything that's going on in our industry today I'd expect them to start looking back as far as they can.

I believe an event stays forever, however, the airline can only request the past 5 years unless the event is a revocation or suspension of an airman cert. or driver's license, then it is indefinite.

That is how I read it: http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/1000/1000/1055/AC120-68C.pdf

Does 'Focus Training' on your PRIA mean you won't get a job easily?

If asked about any 'accidents, incidents or violations' on an application form do I have to state if the company sent me for 'focus training'?

Well were you sent to focus training because of an accident, incident, or violation?

On the Focus Training form (which will be put on ones PRIA) said "CRM Training"

None of this was FAA involved.

I don't think anyone knows what that even means. I'd not disclose unless the form asked specifically for that info.

There is no such thing as a "PRIA Record" (although we might see that soon thanks to colgan).

PRIA is a law which requires some air carriers to keep records, and to furnish them to another employer who is considering you for a pilot job.

An air carrier must obtain your past records when considering you for employment. This will include past aviation employers and your FAA records (plus DOT and NDR). FAA violations will show up, but I do not believe that pink slips will appear although there may be other means of obtaining them (FOIA).

A non-air carrier (part 91) does not have to keep records...but if they do, they must furnish them if asked. Obviously some 91 operators do keep records.

About the five year limit...the PRIA law does not allow you to request or furnish records older than five years. The PRI law prevents past employers from getting sued for providing PRIA records...but if they furnish records older than five years which are NOT required by PRIA, I suspect they could open themselves up to a lawsuit. For that reason I think larger companies would probably not provide more than five years of data. A small company might not have legal staff to provide guidance on this, so a clerk might just photocopy your entire record and mail it (I have seen this at two companies). But if you are talking airlines, it should only go back 5 years.

FAA records will also be reported going back five years...except revocations which are reported forever.

Not sure how far back DOT and NDR records go.

As far as WHAT gets reported...basically any and all training and discipline events related to being a pilot. In the past, non-aviation disciplinary actions were not reported (ie punching your CP in the mouth), but I think that might have changed.

Has anyone managed to move on since having something (even minor) on PRIA?

PRIA only goes back 5 years.

The rules have actually changed. Violations are on your record forever now.

Yes. Part of the legislative aftermath of the Colgan crash. The FAA suspended the 5-year policy until they figure out how to handle it.

Not entirely correct. Part 91 operators are not required to furnish anything if they choose not to even if they keep records. Most will not because of liability.

Most 91 operators are not required to MAINTAIN any records, but if they do so, they are required to furnish those records if they get a PRIA request. I have seen this in writing more than once, including this AC. Not just idle curiosity on my part, I used to have to respond to those.

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/6682e86bd8291e138625775b006ea3e4/$FILE/AC%20120-68E.pdf

Is there any liability if a company provides training records (that may be damaging, such as a failed 135 checkride from more then 10 years ago) that are more then 5 years old but may not be properly maintaned or incomplete. If that airman does not get the job he / she is applying for as a result of these old records is there any liability for the company that provided the old records.

I think we addressed this in another post, but I would say there might be some liaibility but you would need professional legal advice for sure.

Also...

IMPORTANT UPDATE: The five-year limitation has been removed (colgan fallout) and no longer applies. PRIA record requests will apparently now go back indefinitely. I don't have the details yet, but this is official from my company.

I found the section where as of Feb of 2011 the FAA is now required to keep their records for airman forever however I cannot find where companies are mandated to do the same.

So, I just talked to the individual at my company that sends out PRIA info to other airlines when requested. They told me that they only send 5 years of info. Over 5 years ago I had a bad day in the SIM, but according to this 5 year time frame, it won't be included in my PRIA info. Should I self disclose?

So my failed Instrument ticket checkride, at age 20, due to my confusion over an NDB hold, in a fixed-card ADF Cherokee, in hot summer Texas weather, over 19 years ago, will not "show up" if a future employer requests PRIA/FAA records ?

Ha! You're not alone brother. I disclosed my instrument rating failure (21 years ago) on my airlineapps profile. I may just take it off now.

Multiple ways to run the scenario. But most would say to simply disclose ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. Whether it was aviation related, or a traffic ticket when you were 16. This has been beat to death like crazy in Delta hiring threads.

But, should you choose to leave it on your app, it can play to your advantage. It will simply make for a great TMAAT story when something didn't go your way, and you learned from it, etc etc etc.

Especially if you've been failure/unsat free since, no blemishes in a 135/121 or military operation, whatever. It makes it a very "safe" topic so to speak.

I think you guys are seriously mistaken. The PRIA rules for employers are not the same for the FAA.

First off, IIRC pink slips are not included in PRIA anyway. However...any company can do a FOIA request and obtain almost everything in your FAA record, except possibly for warning letters which were purged after a period of time. I know some airlines do FOIA requests as a matter of course.

Most do, not all.

I'd have to guess that is correct, but just a guess.

If one was to fail an event that does come with pink slip, the pink itself wouldn't show up on PRIA. Just a failed oral or type ride.

However, that would coincide with the FAA record check of a pink slip pertaining to that event.

Good points, thanks everyone

If you have never done it, it is worthwhile to request your Airman Certification File.

search for: AC Form 8060-68 (10/09)


There is a small charge for the copies.

Does PRIA show 141 training records? For example, if you did all of your training via a 141 school and than you went on to instruct at that school, after earning your CFI, what would be kicked back on a PRIA? Would it just show that you did work there as an instructor or would your past training records be furnished also?

Excellent question. Two answers...

The legally correct answer is that only your employment records (not your student records) should be returned via PRIA.

The real-world answer is that typical 141 operations might have one or zero office staffers who actually know what they're doing, and that person will not be the one responding to PRIA requests. It's entirely possible that your entire student record will get returned as well. BTDT, got the tee-shirt. Equally possible that such a school will not even "get around" to answering PRIA requests (technically illegal but probably not enforced outside of 121).

Non-121 operations are a crapshoot with regards to PRIA.

Does PRIA show employment dates? Or just check ride dates?

http://www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/p...OIA_and_PA.pdf

Also take a look at the "Introduction to PRIA" powerpoint presentation;

http://www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/pria/guidance/

(III) any release from employment or resignation, termination, or disqualification with respect to employment.

So what if one was employed employed by an air carrier, quit and was rehired, then quit again? Would it show both termination dates? Also what do most employers consider start of employment? Check-ride date or first day of class?

That should show as two separate employment periods.

Most airlines consider it day one of class but I know a few bottom feeders may consider it completion of training (you'd have to ask the company in question). But for PRIA purposes, they may have to report the training even if you weren't technically an employee for payroll purposes. Again, best to ask the airline in question.

Oh my.. I failed my commercial written and that's my only failure!!!! Do I need to tell them that!!!

IMO you don't need to tell them unless they specifically ask "did you fail a written test?". But it depends on the wording of the question, if it's vague or open-ended you might want to confess rather than be suspected of lying about it. But I would come up with a good reason for failing a written, and be prepared to tell them what you learned from the experience.

Are company incident reports on pria? At my company (like most I'm sure) even minor things such as a go around, even if it's not the the crews fault, requires an incident report. I believe company incident reports are just on company file, but can anyone confirm?

Google the FAA PRIA home page, lots of info there.

Be careful using the term "incident". In aviation an "incident" usually means an NTSB-defined incident. My company uses "Irregular Operations Reports" for events which need to be reported up the chain but often are not NTSB incidents.

The answer to your question, I think, is that a flight operations event would only be reported by a previous employer via PRIA if you were disciplined for it.