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Old 03-09-2010, 03:48 PM   #1  
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I heard today that FAR 91.17 (8 hour bottle to throttle) was changing to 12 hours bottle to throttle. Anyone heard anything about this?
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:24 PM   #2  
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Have you looked at the Electronic Code of Federal Regulations? It's usually up to date within a day or so of the current date.

Do you have any idea how Federal Regulations are made? You may have noticed threads about pullinjg CVRs to check pilots or requiring F/Os to have ATPs. Are they doing that yet?

All that being said, many airlines put restrictions above and beyond what the FAA requires. However, a GOM is normally an accepted manual and not an approved manual so it's hard to argue it has the force of law.
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No. Like TW said if that had been proposed, you would have heard about already on APC and every other board. Maybe some congress-person mentioned it in passing?

Don't worry though, while congress might have their way willy-nilly with professional pilots, all of the doctors, lawyers, and businessmen over at AOPA would not sit still for this for one instant. AOPA is usually pretty effective when they get riled up.

Some (most) airlines have a 12 hour rule (not mine ha,ha) that can get you fired, but probably not violated by the FAA.
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Most military flying units, also follow the 12 hour bottle to throttle
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Most military flying units, also follow the 12 hour bottle to throttle
12 hours bottle to breif, which could be more like 15 hours to throttle. You also can't be "suffering the effects" in any community. While you may have quit drinking 12 hours ago, if you're hung over you're still not legal.
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Wait,... I thought it was 50 FEET!?
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what's the big deal? Like previousy said, you may quit at the 12 hour mark but the effect of the alcohol will not necessarily make you legal for a flight. Get smashed on your day off!
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Get smashed enough to fall asleep 12 hours prior, works every time. (Just don't get so smashed you wake up drunk)
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what's the big deal? Like previousy said, you may quit at the 12 hour mark but the effect of the alcohol will not necessarily make you legal for a flight. Get smashed on your day off!
True, its not worth the risk, a lot of dudes stop at the 12 hour mark, but can still be wasted long after..
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Just stick with this and you will be good:

The mnemonic is interpreted as:

Illness - Is the pilot suffering from any illness or symptom of an illness which might affect them in flight,
Medication - Is the pilot currently taking any drugs (prescription or over-the-counter),
Stress - Psychological or emotional factors which might affect the pilot's performance,
Alcohol - Although legal limits vary by jurisdiction (20 mg/mL blood in the UK[1], four times less than for driving), the pilot might want to consider their alcohol consumption within the last 8 or 24 hours,
Fatigue - Has the pilot had sufficient sleep and rest in the recent past, and
Emotion - Is the pilot emotionally upset.
This is from the FAA Risk Management Handbook FAA-H-8083-2
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