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Is new law "ATP" or just 1500 hours?

Hi all,

I just have a question regarding the new law to be hired as an airline pilot. Do you have to have all the requirements of an atp, ex: xc time, instrument time, age, etc? Because I might get 1500 hours before I am 23 and I was just wondering if I would have to wait until I am 23 so I can actually have an ATP?

Thanks!

flyhigh423

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Originally Posted by FlyHigh423 (Post 901778)

From the actual bill

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(B) ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flight crewmembers--
(i) have obtained an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and
(ii) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.

Full ATP seems like the answer here. I wouldn't worry about the age thing too much, they have 3 years to get it to you. I would make sure you hit all the other little buzz saws, like the PIC time. Once you get hired 121 it's very difficult to get more of that one.

Kudos for getting your hours early, but yes you have to wait. Other professions with a similar level of safety responsibility have a either a hard age requirement (law enforcement often requires age 23) or a de-facto requirement, due to the length of college/training involved (medicine, military, etc).

Some airlines (mostly freight) still have professional flight engineers. My understanding is that they do have a commercial pilots certificate also. Will this rule also apply to someone who is to be hired strictly as a flight engineer?

Joe

That came up as we have some PFEs. They're more likely to have an A&P than a COMM. That's the definition of a Professional Flight Engineer, they don't have a pilot certificate and aren't really planning on moving to a window seat. I think it was the union that went to the FAA and asked and the FAA said it was not their intent to require PFEs to have an ATP.

What I am curious about is this.

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(ii) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.

Seems pretty open ended to me.

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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp (Post 902286)

I thought that back in the 70s the feds came up with a rule that all the PFEs had to get a commercial pilots certificate. I cannot find the rule though.

Joe

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Originally Posted by joepilot (Post 902425)

I thought that back in the 70s the feds came up with a rule that all the PFEs had to get a commercial pilots certificate. I cannot find the rule though.

Joe

I don't think that is that case, I know one or two PFEs who are not pilots, but rather ex-military FE's.

U will HAVE to have your ATP, that is the key. Congress added some requirements to the ATP, and it remains to be seen if the 1500 hours will continue to be a requirement.

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Originally Posted by joepilot (Post 902425)

I thought that back in the 70s the feds came up with a rule that all the PFEs had to get a commercial pilots certificate. I cannot find the rule though.

Joe

Perhaps this is what you refer to: During the 1972 merger, Delta offered the Northeast PFEs a choice of paid training for a Commercial Pilot's certificate or transfer to a ground mechanic job. Management didn't want two unions in the cockpit.