skylover

I believe it's a flight point-to-point over 50NM? I'm just wondering, how often do you fly that kind of stuff during instructing?

Bellanca

If it were point to point XC like it is for 135 mins I would agree. But 50nm XC is not easy to come by in my experience CFIing. Unfortunately, the 141 courses where I'm at are rigid and that makes it very difficult to drag students 50 nm away from the airport on flights that are set up to be locals. Maybe its different elsewhere, but if a CFI is teaching mostly private and instrument (which most CFIs are) there is only so much XC time they can eek out without making the students pay for a bunch of extra flight time.

Personally, I'm averaging 18% 50 nm cross country out of all of my dual given. At this rate, I'll be sitting at well over 2500 TT before I meet the ATP XC requirement.

USMCFLYR

NUMEROUS threads on this subject.
Don't get confused between the requirements under ATP and the other requirements.

USMCFLYR

roogs25

Don't hold your breath on 1 Aug. I am one of the few low time military guys (medical - long story) hoping for the restricted ATP rating to get finalized. Most of the airlines I spoke with said they weren't hiring any low time military guys until that restricted ATP became law... so I emailed the contact lady in the NPRM. Here is her response, which is more optimistic than the hiring managers I spoke with:


Thank you for your email regarding the Pilot Certification and Qualification Requirements for Air Carrier Operations NPRM. You are correct that the FAA proposed a provision for an ATP with restricted privileges for military pilots. The FAA is currently reviewing and considering all comments that were posted to the docket in the development of the final rule. We anticipate publication in Spring/Summer 2013.

Best Regards,

Barbara Adams
Aviation Safety Inspector
(202) 385-4286
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Federal Aviation Administration
Aircraft Certification Service
Airworthiness Certification Branch, AIR-230
950 L'Enfant Plaza, SW
Washington, DC 20024

Grumble

It requires some effort and creativity. For instance take two students, one sits in back and watches, doesn't get charged anything. Free learning. Land 50+ miles away and swap, do the same lesson going home. Beneficial for everyone.

There are ways to get the mins if you actually try.

captain152

That's a great way as well. Another way is to fly to an airport 50nm away for lunch or something and knock a lesson out.

Debrief over lunch. Brief back at the airport for lesson 2.

Lesson 2 is back to point A.

Two lessons in one day isn't too difficult if your student has been studying and doing his/her homework.

Note: this is NOT a good idea with a student that is struggling a bit.

skylover

Oh Lord...

I began seriously researching my education/training path around when the NPRM was released, and then, I saw it as a huge pain in the neck, stopping me from becoming a pilot ASAP.

However, after reading so much here and thinking about it, it's clear that the NPRM would only help the industry, especially at a time when demand will already be high. I fear, however, that because of the lobbying by regionals and flight schools, restricted ATP minimums will be reduced (probably 500 or 750) and erase all of the good things that this law could have done.

love2av8

Read the definition of cross country time for the purposes of ATP certification. It does not require a landing at an airport that is 50 miles away, only navigation to and from said airport. Only the other ratings require a landing 50 miles away.
You can certainly get creative teaching your students (esp instrument) and shooting approaches, tracking, intercepting, etx.

DALFA

The proposal by the FAA would reduce the min hours to 1,000 under certain circumstances.

The problem with everything is that they went from one extreme (commercial with 250 tt) to another extreme (1,500tt).

To be in the right seat of a regional you should not only look at total time but what kind of time it is. 700 tt with various experience (not just 600 hours of 152 flying for nothing time) should be enough.

Rotor2prop

This is it right here. Go to 61.1 and read the definitions. For the ATP it just says 50nm. It doesn't include a landing in the text so you can fly to an airport, VOR, intersection, etc... As long as its over 50nm it counts for the ATP.