Frick

Ive recently begun flying right seat 135 trips in a King Air 90. It's a single pilot airplane and the op specs do NOT require 2 pilots. I also do not have a high altitude endorsement. We have a frequent customer that requests 2 pilots and that is basically the only time I ride right seat as I do not meet 135 mins yet. I have about 650tt/70multi. My question is there anyway to log multi time while riding right seat on these trips. My understanding by the FARs is that I can not since it is a single pilot airplane and the op specs do not require 2 pilots, but I see other posts on this site saying to build multi time by getting a gig like I currently have. I'm wondering if there is another regulation I'm not aware of. I'd like to log it, because I don't see any other multi time inS the near future, but I don't want to eventually get an interview and not be able to explain how I have 100 hours in a King Air

mmaviator

simple answer no.
1-a/c doesn't need you....so how could you log it if you are not technical suppose to be there.
2-yeah explaining KA systems would be difficult unless you went out of your way to learn them.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

OceanicPilot

It's my understanding that because these are 135 legs you cannot log the time. However, if you have legs that are non revenue (no pax or cargo) you can log the time when you are sole manipulator of the controls. Not sure legally regarding the high altitude endorsement....

Tchinson

I did something similar, however it was all Part 91 flying (for a corporation). The guys in the left seat were all MEIs and ATPs, and they normally let me fly every leg once they got comfortable with me. They would just sign my logbook as instruction received. When I was applying at the regionals, the airlines seemed to have no problem with this.

jsfBoat

A buddy of mine showed up to an interview at Great Lakes with some C90 time and it was looked at in a less than ideal way.

EMB120IP

A king air 90 doesn't require a type (correct me if I'm wrong, less than 12,500, not turbojet/fan, etc) but for the most part requires some sort of 'training' to fly. I wouldn't just throw the time in the PIC multi column unless you had some sort of training in it (emergency procedures, basic systems, etc) as this time in the logbook will be looked at closely by companies interviewing you. If the guy flying it is an MEI, log dual given on your legs (part 91, non-rev legs).

On the legs with pax, I don't think logging time would be a good idea as it is a single pilot aircraft and you are not SIC qualified, nor does it need one, nor are you manipulating the controls.

If you log this time, make sure you understand that it will be brought up in an interview. If you can explain it in black and white, that's the time to log. If it's gray, err on the side of safety and don't log it. Airlines will look at this time and pick it apart like nobody's business, as well as ask you questions regarding the aircraft. If you don't know much about the aircraft, yet logged the time in it, some may look poorly on that.

mooney

Your problem lies in the ops specs. If the ops specs require 2 pilots for 135 and you take a 135 sic check ride, you could log it as SIC and multi. I did this for 3 years in my prior life and it was never questioned nor looked down upon. Get the Feds to change your specs from 1 pilot to 2 haha!

dapper993

A015 allows the operator the option of using 1 crew with an autopilot in lieu of the 2 in passenger multi operations. If the operator elects to designate 2 crew for a flight and the right seat pilot is qualified as an SIC, the SIC could log SIC time regardless of whether it is a Baron or a King Air and A015 has been issued. Some operators GOMs may require 2 crews based on weather or airport airspace factors. (Ie 1700 departure out of TEB on a Friday in the winter time. I would not allow one of our flights to go without a SIC on board.) The Operator can choose to utilize that deviation or not regardless. It is designed to provide relief to those that seek it not to restrict them to Single Pilot.

To answer OP question, if you are not SIC qualified under 135 then no you can not legally log SIC time, TT, Multi time, dual received on a 135 leg. You technically can not read a checklist, talk on the radio, retract the gear. You are just another passenger or company personnel not a flight crew member.

rickair7777

You need the HA endorsement to log PIC, you do not need it to log SIC.

But since there is no legal OPSPEC or certification requirement for an SIC, the only option is PIC based on flying part 91 legs.

But you can't do that without a HA endorsement. The exception would be if you are receiving dual-given you can log PIC based on being rated in category and class (hopefully you can get the HA endorsement while you're doing that).

Also some larger KAs require a type rating...you would need that to log PIC if it's required.

Also...interviews will hone in on the most complex airplane in your logbook. Be prepared to talk in detail about KA systems and procedures. There will be somebody at every airline who is familiar with them...and they will find that guy to do your interview. If you're just going for an airplane ride with no knowledge or training, best not to log it.

flyandive

You need the HA endorsements to ACT as PIC, logging is still category and class under Part 91 if he was flying a repo leg.

Granted, if I were him I still wouldn't log it unless I had it or was getting instruction for it. Legally though if he was the sole manipulator on a part 91 flight he could log it without the HA endorsements but someone would have to act as PIC and unless that someone was an instructor, I wouldn't even log it, because of the legal grey area. The problem is the person acting as PIC could no longer log it because they are not the sole manipulator. The exception is an instructor teaching.