kiwiflyer

I logged a few hrs turbo as SIC and now realize the Kingair was single pilot certified. I am interviewing with eagle in 2 weeks and filling out there packet that divides hours. Question is do I include the time

wrxpilot

Not enough data. 135? 91? If 135, did they have the single pilot exemption?

kiwiflyer

Hrs where logged 135. There is no distinction on the application. Our 135 company is starting CRM training so flights where added when clients elected two pilots to be up front, though technically only one is required.

RunnerMark

If it is single pilot certified, and you are not qualified to be in PIC in the a/c, I would not log the time. Besides, if it's just "a few hours" as you stated, I don't think it will make or break your interview. You could always mention you have some experience flying a King Air.

rickair7777

Generally, yes.

But if it was 135 operations, and the OPSPEC required an SIC, and the pilot was trained and authorized to serve as SIC in that operation it would be legal.

kiwiflyer

Thanks guys. I'll leave it off the official packet and if the interviewer brings it up, I'll explain it then i had included it in Airline apps. I have 390 multi hrs anyway

scubabri

This should answer your question

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...10/Nichols.pdf

SkyKing466

I have the same question, I have about 5 hours in a 350. In my situation it was all part 91 and the PIC is a MEI. I logged it as dual received and he let me fly the whole thing. Does this sound ok to you guys?

jbt1407

Of course! Getting the chance to fly a King Air while learning about turbine aircraft and high-altitude operations with an MEI sounds like dual to me. I had a similar opportunity in an MU-2 and learned a great deal more than I expected.

When it comes to logging SIC, FAR 135.267 is often overlooked.

(2) If flight time is assigned during this period, that total flight time when added to any other commercial flying by the flight crewmember may not exceed--
(i) 8 hours for a flight crew consisting of one pilot; or
(ii) 10 hours for a flight crew consisting of two pilots; and
(3) If the combined duty and rest periods equal 24 hours.

Simply put, if you are assigned flight time greater than 8 hours, an SIC is required. Even if it is a Cessna 152, you can log all SIC time as long as you are appropriately rated in category, class, and type if necessary. This is why companies such as Ameriflight fly Metroliners single pilot and other freight outfits that are geared more toward on-demand freight, such as car parts rather than UPS/DHL feeder flying, fly them 2 pilot and all the SIC time is 100% loggable if their flying hours exceed 8 hours.

When it comes to part 91, I believe the often repeated "SIC required if no autopilot is used, etc" stands true.

rickair7777

5 hours dual is perfectly reasonable.

But if it were 50 hours, or God-forbid 300 hours, then the legitimacy of the instruction received, and therefore the time logged, would be in serious doubt.

However...regional interviewers will often focus in on the most sophisticated aircraft in your logbook. Conventional wisdom is that you'll need to know procedures and systems well, and they may try to assign you to an interviewer with King Air experience. You may want to weigh the benefit of those 5 hours against the need to learn all the systems.