Notices
Aviation Law Legal issues, FARs, and questions

Logging King Air SIC

Old 01-14-2013, 12:36 PM
  #11  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: moving along
Posts: 52
Default

Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
5 hours dual is perfectly reasonable.

However...regional interviewers will often focus in on the most sophisticated aircraft in your logbook. Conventional wisdom is that you'll need to know procedures and systems well, and they may try to assign you to an interviewer with King Air experience. You may want to weigh the benefit of those 5 hours against the need to learn all the systems.
This is not accurate. Remember, it is 5 hours of DUAL. The interviewers will assume that a low time pilot had the chance to fly a king air with an instructor. The questions will be more like "I see you have 5 hours of dual in a king-air. What did you do in the airplane and tell us what you learned from this experience." You will NOT be asked to describe the the type of engines, fuel system, etc in detail. Can you imagine a regional airline going out of their way to find a King Air pilot to then drill someone on the electrical system of a king-air with only 5 hours of dual?? That's absurd!
jbt1407 is offline  
Old 01-14-2013, 01:45 PM
  #12  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: May 2011
Position: CJ4 manager/pilot
Posts: 948
Default

Originally Posted by jbt1407 View Post
This is not accurate. Remember, it is 5 hours of DUAL. The interviewers will assume that a low time pilot had the chance to fly a king air with an instructor. The questions will be more like "I see you have 5 hours of dual in a king-air. What did you do in the airplane and tell us what you learned from this experience." You will NOT be asked to describe the the type of engines, fuel system, etc in detail.
I was asked extensively about an aircraft I flew SIC in, with less than ten hours in it, at a 121 regional interview.

If you're logging time in anything, you need to have the knowledge of the aircraft to back it up.
DirectTo is offline  
Old 01-14-2013, 02:40 PM
  #13  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: moving along
Posts: 52
Default

Originally Posted by DirectTo View Post
I was asked extensively about an aircraft I flew SIC in, with less than ten hours in it, at a 121 regional interview.

If you're logging time in anything, you need to have the knowledge of the aircraft to back it up.
You were SIC, not DUAL. There is a huge difference between the two. Acting as a crew-member and receiving instruction are entirely different.
jbt1407 is offline  
Old 01-30-2013, 12:03 PM
  #14  
Gets Weekends Off
 
multipilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 778
Default

Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Generally, yes.
To build on what Rick said, you can log whatever you want in your logbook. Its your logbook and not an FAA or airline logbook. Now, that being said what the FAA will accept as flight experience is outlined in 61.51, and SIC qualifications are outlined in 61.55. Consequently, the airlines or any other FAA certified operator will want to see 61.51 time.

SIC time in a single pilot King Air operated under Part 91 will just get you a pat on the back. Personally, I would subtract that time from your overall totals when you turn in the paperwork for airlines, 8710s etc. The only other thing that "SIC" time might be good for is insurance.
multipilot is offline  
Old 01-30-2013, 02:00 PM
  #15  
Tie Domi of Open Time
 
flyingice's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2011
Position: Whistles go woo
Posts: 65
Default

Originally Posted by SkyKing466 View Post
I have the same question, I have about 5 hours in a 350. In my situation it was all part 91 and the PIC is a MEI. I logged it as dual received and he let me fly the whole thing. Does this sound ok to you guys?
Absolutely. That shouldn't be an issue in the least, especially if the pilot you flew with noted training of some sort--e.g. "Intro to King Air 350 operation/ procedures." Any opportunity to fly a new plane is great.

Getting some knowledge of systems is always a good thing too. Friend of mine flew a Beech Premier (RA-390) in a Part 91 op. I was able to go along right seat on a few trips and fly some legs. He is an MEI and signed it off each time with a statement of some sort about the flight(s). Took it upon myself to spend a few hours learning the systems, not only to satisfy my own curiosity, but also that way I would know the major points of the plane if asked in an interview.
flyingice is offline  
Old 01-31-2013, 06:47 AM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
mooney's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: CL-65 captain
Posts: 2,244
Default

Originally Posted by kiwiflyer View Post
Hrs where logged 135. There is no distinction on the application. Our 135 company is starting CRM training so flights where added when clients elected two pilots to be up front, though technically only one is required.
Just to be clear, you also passed a 135 SIC checkride in the King Air right? If so, and it is in your Ops Specs and other things that Rickair said logging it is totally legit.
mooney is offline  
Old 01-31-2013, 09:33 AM
  #17  
Prime Minister/Moderator
 
rickair7777's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,100
Default

Originally Posted by jbt1407 View Post
This is not accurate. Remember, it is 5 hours of DUAL. The interviewers will assume that a low time pilot had the chance to fly a king air with an instructor. The questions will be more like "I see you have 5 hours of dual in a king-air. What did you do in the airplane and tell us what you learned from this experience." You will NOT be asked to describe the the type of engines, fuel system, etc in detail. Can you imagine a regional airline going out of their way to find a King Air pilot to then drill someone on the electrical system of a king-air with only 5 hours of dual?? That's absurd!
Well lets just say that I know of one regional airline which does exactly that...your assigned interviewer will probably have some background in one or more of the same airplanes that you do. Coincidence? Not.

It's true that they would not expect someone who a few hours of dual to be an expert...but if you cross the line and log PIC or even SIC in 135, better know the plane.
rickair7777 is offline  
Old 01-31-2013, 11:20 AM
  #18  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 826
Default

Originally Posted by multipilot View Post
To build on what Rick said, you can log whatever you want in your logbook. Its your logbook and not an FAA or airline logbook.
Unless, of course, you enter something you shouldn't. Then it becomes "your logbook as evidence" to revoke all your certificates and ratings under 61.59.

Yep, my business records are mine too. I can enter whatever I want. Until the IRS audit, of course.

Your diary is 100% yours. Your logbook is an official record of time used to meet the requirements for certificate, ratings, operating privileges and currency.
NoyGonnaDoIt is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
wmuflyboy
Flight Schools and Training
30
03-26-2023 06:18 PM
stbloc
Flight Schools and Training
9
02-02-2010 02:43 PM
GolfProPilot
Technical
6
10-29-2009 08:33 AM
cencal83406
Regional
17
02-03-2009 07:19 PM
fly4food84
Hangar Talk
14
04-10-2008 08:25 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are Off
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices