Log SIC time in a single-pilot Cessna CJ?
 

Hey I'm a newly certificated Single and multi engine commercial pilot with CFI and MEI certificates also. I was recently asked to fly right seat in a CJ with an appropriately rated pilot. It only requires one pilot whom is type rated, which he is. I have been doing checklists and radios with him and he occasionally lets me take the controls. Is there Any way I can log either PIC or SIC time for that time when I have the controls even if I'm NOT type rated in it? The operations are being conducted under part 91.

Is he an instructor?

No he's not an instructor.

I can't come up with anything that would help you...

Logging SIC time
 

Definitely not SIC and unless he's an instructor signing your log, not PIC either.

Does the captain have his ATP? I think there was a provision for an ATP rated pilot to give you the required training in the airplane for you to qualify as a type rated SIC.

I think he might have something here...read FAR 61.55 (b) (1) (2) it's for obtaining an "sic only" privileges in a jet without having to go through a sim training center. Basically the ATP rated captain gives you 3 hours of flight time in which you learn procedures, systems and other stuff, log some landing and approaches...get that written and signed by him...go to a FSDO and get your 8710 processed by them or pay a DPE his fee then you're set to be sic part 91 for that aircraft. I don't know if the cj requires two pilots though...if it's certified for one I don't think it'll work; but don't take my word for it.

It's a great way to get some knowledge, fly jet time, make contacts (could lead to more SIC's) and maybe start contracting, hell it may lead to a job...

Reading the following letters, you can't log it. Also, I believe the the ATP provision only applies to instruction under an air carrier's approved training program.


http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf

Just write it in your logbook with an asterisk or something next to it so you won't accidentally add it to your totals and count it as experience. It's just something to talk about in an interview saying you have more experience than all flight instructing time.

ask the PIC very very nicely to wear the hood

I did something similar to this in college, although it was in a Mustang. I didn't log any of it, since there was no legal way to log it, but it's a great way to build experience in the "real world."

Problem is he is not type rated in the jet, so he still can't be PIC as he is not rated in it even if he sole manipulator.

Very very nicely...:D

It is my understanding that an ATP can give training on the aircraft for which he is typed. with 61.55B you recieve the required training and I assume he is flying on a single pilot waiver? I'm speaking in terms of the C550 as thats what I'm trained on, It is a two crew airplane but you are able to obtain a single pilot waiver. You can chose if you want to use this waiver or not so once you recieve the required training, your PIC simply choses not to use his single pilot privlages on legs and bam you are flying SIC on a required two crew airplane. I went through this and the local FSDO and Simuflite never batted an eye at it. With that said, the pilot I flew with that was single pilot rated and was just that. He didnt need me and I was in the way more than I was help (in most cases). Keep your eyes open and be open minded because once I got an actual job and was in a "crew" enviroment it was a whole other ballgame. You can learn a lot but it can also teach you bad habbits if you let it. good luck and blue skies.

That is true, but the op asked if there was a way to log PIC or SIC as sole manipulator of the flight controls. Ask the PIC to wear the hood, and you don't have to touch a thing and can still log the time.

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These questions are often tough to sort out and can also lead to serious problems later on if you choose poorly. I started a sticky list of these threads that can be quickly accessed here-

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But you can't serve as safety pilot in an airplane you are not qualified to fly.