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ShyGuy 06-22-2019 08:50 AM

I will never understand the human desire to replace themselves out of jobs, especially for something like flying an airplane. There’s something to say about getting on a plane with another human who has a vested interest in getting back to terra firma safely. Does a computer? It’ll try I guess.


One day AI gets smart enough and replaces those people whose job it is to replace human being jobs with machines. Maybe then they’ll acknowledge they went too far.

prex8390 06-22-2019 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2841360)
I will never understand the human desire to replace themselves out of jobs, especially for something like flying an airplane. There’s something to say about getting on a plane with another human who has a vested interest in getting back to terra firma safely. Does a computer? It’ll try I guess.


One day AI gets smart enough and replaces those people whose job it is to replace human being jobs with machines. Maybe then they’ll acknowledge they went too far.

This.... I find most people that support all these jobs including ours getting taken away for robots are usually tech geeks that have little to no involvement in said industry or work as a outsider and not on the front lines. Where does it stop? Who says a computer can’t do “all” our jobs? I not long ago read that IBMs Watson is soon to probably replace accountants becuase it can more accurately predict the economy and better help money management and investments then people. Eventually there will be a point when the people throwing fingers saying everything should be done by robots will find themselves where a robot can do “their” job. That’s when it stops.

dera 06-22-2019 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Meow1215 (Post 2840129)
Name one complex computer system that behaves exactly as instructed, I’ll wait.

How will a pilotless plane participate in the ATC system?
What would you in the event of a systems failure?
What about an event like a loss of GPS like the CRJ has been experiencing?

Pilots use to fly planes, more and more they are becoming automation managers, someone is going to continue to have to manage the automation. It’s frequently does weird things and will continue to do so. I’m not worried.

Off topic -
Why is this in the 9E sub forum?

Every computer system behaves exactly as instructed.
The problem is that humans are not capable to understand the instructions required by the complex computer system to produce results we expect.
And therein lies the problem.

Avroman 06-23-2019 09:30 AM

AI is a paradox. It relies on humans to create and program the AI, thus already is flawed (sorry tech geeks) Thus anything AI comes up with will eventually have a flawed response to something. We are already at a point that most of the world's pilot's skills are degraded as far as actual look at the instruments and fly the plane. Good luck when George craps the bed and a "reset qualified" FA or dispatcher has to figure it out.

DeltaCorrectons 06-23-2019 05:05 PM

At some point they will give it a shot and when one ends up crashing they will scramble to get people back into the cockpits so metal keeps moving. It’s not an if it crashes it when I like knowing there is someone sitting up there that want to get home at night just like I do and I think most the population feels the same.

msprj2 06-23-2019 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaCorrectons (Post 2842109)
At some point they will give it a shot and when one ends up crashing they will scramble to get people back into the cockpits so metal keeps moving. It’s not an if it crashes it when I like knowing there is someone sitting up there that want to get home at night just like I do and I think most the population feels the same.

Haha. There’s no going back to
Human pilots. A software glitch caused two 737’s to crash. They aren’t getting rid of computers because of it

SoFloFlyer 06-24-2019 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2841562)
Every computer system behaves exactly as instructed.
The problem is that humans are not capable to understand the instructions required by the complex computer system to produce results we expect.
And therein lies the problem.

That’s why my autopilot will get behind the airplane sometimes and I have to disengage it and hand fly it myself?

On a different end, how about when the east coast lost gps coverage? Even something as simple as the airline computers crashing. They can’t even get a software to work 100%, but want to stick people in a metal tube with no one at the controls? Maybe it’ll happen in my kid’s life time, but not mine.

highfarfast 06-24-2019 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaCorrectons (Post 2842109)
At some point they will give it a shot and when one ends up crashing they will scramble to get people back into the cockpits so metal keeps moving. It’s not an if it crashes it when I like knowing there is someone sitting up there that want to get home at night just like I do and I think most the population feels the same.

Crashes will happen. Crashes already happen though. All they have to do is show it happens at the same rate or less than human flown aircraft.

And to those that say AI only does what a human programs it to do, they are already working on AI that can program itself to solve unexpected problems.

I'm not advocating it, but it's coming eventually. Probably not soon though, for the same reason we fly with such antiquated computer tech in the airplane now.

Flogger 06-24-2019 06:24 AM

Luddites crack me up.

They jump up and down celebrating when they get a great deal on an Amazon purchase of some thing-doo-dad, which is cheaper than it used to be because it is now made on a 3D printer. It cost more in the past because it was made by a skilled craftsman. A skilled craftsman who is now out of a job.

But when technology threatens the Luddite's craft, he riots and starts smashing looms.


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