Boeing CEO says they are going autonomous
02-12-2023, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by madmax757
When I flew corporate, my boss was an F18
guy. He had lots of dual time in the 2 seat version and simulator b4 they tossed him the keys to a shiny new F18 and land on a carrier in bad weather. I’m guessing even though the airliner may be single pilot , there will still be a right seat with controls for training and check rides .
guy. He had lots of dual time in the 2 seat version and simulator b4 they tossed him the keys to a shiny new F18 and land on a carrier in bad weather. I’m guessing even though the airliner may be single pilot , there will still be a right seat with controls for training and check rides .
02-13-2023, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
Airbus is the one to watch.
I’d like to see military non combat loss stats on their remotely piloted aircraft. Seems like datalink isn’t an issue for them.
I’d like to see military non combat loss stats on their remotely piloted aircraft. Seems like datalink isn’t an issue for them.
02-13-2023, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueScholar
USAF drones crash at a rate like 4x more frequent than military manned aircraft mishaps. That’s 4 times higher vs high risk flying ops like single pilot, single engine fighters, cargo aircraft routinely flying tactical ie unstable approaches, helicopters on night vision goggles 100’ AGL, training aircraft flying in formation with a sub 100 hr pilot at the controls, flying aircraft that are 50+ years old, etc. That’s also with a dedicated network of satellites to provide bandwidth and control.
02-19-2023, 03:42 AM
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This is a good read. If the aircraft were autonomous would they have detected the tail strike and returned? Would thru understand it was garbage data?
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/after-alaska-airlines-planes-bump-runway-a-scramble-to-pull-the-plug/
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/after-alaska-airlines-planes-bump-runway-a-scramble-to-pull-the-plug/
02-19-2023, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
This is a good read. If the aircraft were autonomous would they have detected the tail strike and returned?
02-20-2023, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
Until it is exceeded
They pitched exactly to the programmed pitch. The numbers were wrong. The robot would get it wrong. And MOST crews caught something was wonky.
02-20-2023, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
If it was autonomous, there'd likely be pitch limits on takeoff that can't be exceeded.
V1 (have to keep going now)
VR
Pitch up to preset limit
Too slow to fly
Go off the end at high speed at your preset pitch limit. That would be very bad in SEA.
Sometimes scrapping the tail is the lesser evil, I'm sure Van Zanten scrapped his tail but at least he was trying to miss Pan Am.
02-20-2023, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
So what happens in the scenario above?
V1 (have to keep going now)
VR
Pitch up to preset limit
Too slow to fly
Go off the end at high speed at your preset pitch limit. That would be very bad in SEA.
Sometimes scrapping the tail is the lesser evil, I'm sure Van Zanten scrapped his tail but at least he was trying to miss Pan Am.
V1 (have to keep going now)
VR
Pitch up to preset limit
Too slow to fly
Go off the end at high speed at your preset pitch limit. That would be very bad in SEA.
Sometimes scrapping the tail is the lesser evil, I'm sure Van Zanten scrapped his tail but at least he was trying to miss Pan Am.
02-20-2023, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
If it's too slow to fly, pitching up higher isn't going to improve things. I'd assume it would calculate that it "can't make it" and go into an abort mode. Aborting above V1 is not typical, but there are a few situations where it might be necessary. This would probably be a lot more rare though, because how did you get to V1 if your acceleration was too low to get you to V2? If acceleration to V1 was off, it would probably already have aborted.
Please understand, there is no I in AI. It simply processes data provided to it. AI can't make any decisions. If it is presented with a situation never experienced before, it will not render a solution.
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