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cardiomd 04-24-2024 03:10 PM

ICON bankrupt
 
Probably the only airplane I have NOT wanted to own. Worst of both worlds of a boat and a plane.

Maybe if you had two lake houses and wanted to fly between them it would be useful? I'm not sure what the target market or mission was other than a few rich persons plaything.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...-11-bankruptcy

METO Guido 04-24-2024 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by cardiomd (Post 3795972)
Probably the only airplane I have NOT wanted to own. Worst of both worlds of a boat and a plane.

Maybe if you had two lake houses and wanted to fly between them it would be useful? I'm not sure what the target market or mission was other than a few rich persons plaything.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/general-aviation/2024-04-08/icon-aircraft-files-chapter-11-bankruptcy

Agree, would much rather have what you got. Doc, triglycerides 400. What’d you do about that? Asking for a friend:)

JohnBurke 04-24-2024 06:00 PM

Apparently the original poster hasn't flown a Lake Amphibian, or any other amphib. Or seaplane.

I wasn't impressed with the Chinese sale.

Icon pushed to market their airplane as car-like, much as Cirrus, and up-scale and up-price in a way that may have missed a wider target market. They also had a weird, cliquish thing going within the company; all instructors and demo pilots were military buddies; a closed kind of group that brought a different dynamic to the operation which was not necessarily in harmony with general aviation.

rickair7777 04-25-2024 06:54 AM

Personally if I wanted a flying boat, it would need to be big enough to camp in. Otherwise floats would be fine, and potentially more flexible. That's just me though.

JohnBurke 04-25-2024 09:59 AM

Floats, and especially a hull ("flying boat") do offer advantages in a single engine airplane, in the even tof a power loss and subsequent off-field forced landing. The Icon does one better with a ballistic parachute. Options.

It also has the decided advantage, when flying over water as a single engine piston airplane, of choices in a forced landing that aren't available to land-airplanes. Airplanes with a hull tend to be a bit more aerodynamic than floats on land airplanes, thus faster and less draggy.

cardiomd 04-25-2024 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3796109)
Personally if I wanted a flying boat, it would need to be big enough to camp in. Otherwise floats would be fine, and potentially more flexible. That's just me though.

Better off getting a high wing and just using something like this:

https://www.wingtents.com/product-page/wingtent

A camping boat wouldn't fly well, and a nice flyer won't have room to sleep. Same reason we won't have a nice flying car anytime soon.
I guess I applaud the ambition.

PNWFlyer 04-25-2024 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3796024)
Apparently the original poster hasn't flown a Lake Amphibian, or any other amphib. Or seaplane.

I wasn't impressed with the Chinese sale.

Icon pushed to market their airplane as car-like, much as Cirrus, and up-scale and up-price in a way that may have missed a wider target market. They also had a weird, cliquish thing going within the company; all instructors and demo pilots were military buddies; a closed kind of group that brought a different dynamic to the operation which was not necessarily in harmony with general aviation.

the bro network didn’t work out this time. After all the people they killed surprised it took this long.

JohnBurke 04-25-2024 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by cardiomd (Post 3796384)
A camping boat wouldn't fly well, and a nice flyer won't have room to sleep. Same reason we won't have a nice flying car anytime soon.
I guess I applaud the ambition.

You'e never flown one, have you? Any hulled aircraft? Seaplane? Nothing flies like your Cessna, is that it? Do you sleep in that? How is it relevant, or important?

rickair7777 04-26-2024 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by cardiomd (Post 3796384)
Better off getting a high wing and just using something like this:

https://www.wingtents.com/product-page/wingtent

A camping boat wouldn't fly well, and a nice flyer won't have room to sleep. Same reason we won't have a nice flying car anytime soon.
I guess I applaud the ambition.

I was in the Navy, I like boats.

Grandad flew PBY's in the war.

cardiomd 04-28-2024 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3796699)
I was in the Navy, I like boats.

Grandad flew PBY's in the war.

Maybe could get a microcarrier to camp/sleep on, with a 300 foot catapult for a cessna 152. Best of both worlds.
You'd have to teach your wife to be the LSO though. Or develop MAGIC THROWRUG system. ;)


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